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Maybe it's fine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwNthD-LRTQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwNthD-LRTQ

gruez 4y ago
I skimmed the transcript it seems to be a pretty poor video. The argument presented seems to be "yeah california HSR is behind schedule and over budget but that's fine because road projects are also behind schedule and over budget", followed by some pot shots at the usual enemies (ie. "americans" who hate/don't belive in transit, corporations, koch brothers, neoliberalism).
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  The argument is that the payoff will be worth many times more than whatever they go over budget by, as proven in Japan. I don’t agree with the argument because Japan was connecting cities that already had, or built out, incredible public transport, and not a city like LA which is almost designed to make public transport as ineffective as possible. I’m not sure LA-SF will be as effective when the rider has to then rent a car on the LA side at least, which means it’s almost certainly cost and maybe even time effective to just drive. The argument that you’re pointing out is a defense against the loud criticism CA HSR is receiving, and is actually a valid argument…if we had to criticize stuff, when you consider the cost inefficiency of a lot of the money being poured into roads, CA HSR would not be on the top of the list of public infra projects to criticize.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    > I’m not sure LA-SF will be as effective when the rider has to then rent a car on the LA side at least, which means it’s almost certainly cost and maybe even time effective to just drive. While that’s a damned good point I hadn’t considered, SF-LA is one of the busiest air routes in the world, and the second busiest in the country. So plenty are getting to LA before renting a car. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_routes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_... https://twitter.com/__zena_/status/1605421214255550464 https://twitter.com/__zena_/status/1605421214255550464 Not to mention, HSR would also service LA denizens who visit more public transit-friendly SF.

I skimmed the transcript it seems to be a pretty poor video. The argument presented seems to be "yeah california HSR is behind schedule and over budget but that's fine because road projects are also behind schedule and over budget", followed by some pot shots at the usual enemies (ie. "americans" who hate/don't belive in transit, corporations, koch brothers, neoliberalism).

rhaway84773 4y ago
The argument is that the payoff will be worth many times more than whatever they go over budget by, as proven in Japan. I don’t agree with the argument because Japan was connecting cities that already had, or built out, incredible public transport, and not a city like LA which is almost designed to make public transport as ineffective as possible. I’m not sure LA-SF will be as effective when the rider has to then rent a car on the LA side at least, which means it’s almost certainly cost and maybe even time effective to just drive. The argument that you’re pointing out is a defense against the loud criticism CA HSR is receiving, and is actually a valid argument…if we had to criticize stuff, when you consider the cost inefficiency of a lot of the money being poured into roads, CA HSR would not be on the top of the list of public infra projects to criticize.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  > I’m not sure LA-SF will be as effective when the rider has to then rent a car on the LA side at least, which means it’s almost certainly cost and maybe even time effective to just drive. While that’s a damned good point I hadn’t considered, SF-LA is one of the busiest air routes in the world, and the second busiest in the country. So plenty are getting to LA before renting a car. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_routes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_... https://twitter.com/__zena_/status/1605421214255550464 https://twitter.com/__zena_/status/1605421214255550464 Not to mention, HSR would also service LA denizens who visit more public transit-friendly SF.