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> "If you solve a few more problems" The amount of work done by these 7 words is incredible. ChatGPT is far from changing a "lot" of industries. Still pathetic

> "If you solve a few more problems" The amount of work done by these 7 words is incredible. ChatGPT is far from changing a "lot" of industries. Still pathetic at programming (which isn't its purpose, but is AlphaCode's purpose; which also sucks), use of it for copy writing is nullified since it seems Google will crack down on AI generated copy writing. DALL-E is also a nice party trick but far from being particularly useful. I'd certainly love to have a useful AI but I think we're experiencing a 80-20 rule situation right now, and that it'll be a few years before we see anything that makes significant improvements on current solutions.

cauthon 4y ago
The forever relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1831/ https://xkcd.com/1831/
- worldsayshi 4y ago
  It's worth it to try with fresh eyes though right? Maybe you get lucky?
lovecg 4y ago
It boggles my mind that people are now dismissive towards technology that would have been literal science fiction _a year ago_ while at the same time being pessimistic about future progress.
- davewritescode 4y ago
  I think you’re exaggerating quite a bit. Language models have been evolving for years. The problem I have with GPT is that is wonderful at confidently writing things that are completely incorrect. It works wonderfully at generating fluff. I’m not a pessimist I love this kind of thing. I just understand the delta between impressive demo and real useful product. It’s why self driving still isn’t pervasive in our lives after being right around the corner for the better part of a decade.
- woeirua 4y ago
  The world is full of compelling tech demos that fail to make much of a splash.
  - kfarr 4y ago
    We are mistaking this for a splash when instead it is the ripple before the shock wave
    - otabdeveloper4 4y ago
      No. "AI" isn't creating new information complexity. (In fact it's making the world simpler, by regurgitating smooth-sounding statistically average statements.) Information complexity is the true test of intelligence, and the current crop of "AI" is actually making computing dumber, not smarter. But yes, "dumber" is often more useful. But the industries "AI" will revolutionize are the kinds of industries where "dumber" is more profitable (e.g., copywriting spam, internet pornography, casual games, etc.) so the world will be poorer for it.
  - TapWaterBandit 4y ago
    Users of chatgpt went from 0 to 1 million in five days. Show me the compelling tech demo that did that without being a big deal.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
      i want to see the actual use cases for these less than perfect AIs. only recently they've become useful enough to actually assist with coding, which is indeed impressive, but what else can they really do? they can answer questions, yes, but it's tough to tell if it's telling the truth or making stuff up which is kind of a problem. code at least compiles or doesn't so its easy to verify.
    - tome 4y ago
      Dwarf Fortress shipped 160k units in 24 hours, and moreover people paid money for it. That won't make a dent on the course of history. https://cogconnected.com/2022/12/dwarf-fortress-sells-160000-copies-under-24-hours/ https://cogconnected.com/2022/12/dwarf-fortress-sells-160000...
- lambdatronics 4y ago
  Just going back and look at GPT-2's output, it's amazing how much better this system is. It still doesn't "understand" anything, but the coherence of what it spits out has gone up drastically. https://thegradient.pub/gpt2-and-the-nature-of-intelligence/ https://thegradient.pub/gpt2-and-the-nature-of-intelligence/
- Twisell 4y ago
  Maybe you think it's a revolution but older folk see that as an evolution. It remind me of the alice bot hype of my youth, which in retrospect was just an evolution fromthe ELIZA hype of 1966. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA We are actually far from sci-fi where is my flying delorean and clean fusion energy for humankind? An as far as AI is concerned where is HAL 9000?
  - edanm 4y ago
    > Maybe you think it's a revolution but older folk see that as an evolution. I don't know what you consider "older" folk but I highly doubt you speak for every member of that group. Also, I don't think the distinction here between "revolution" and "evolution" is so clear cut (or important.)
  - valdiorn 4y ago
    > ...and clean fusion energy for humankind Well, we did just produce the world's first clean fusion energy this week. https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-fusion-power-plant-commercial-b2246755.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-fusion-power-plan...
    - eddsh1994 4y ago
      3 whole energy for the low cost of 300 energies!
    - methodical 4y ago
      This once again represents a sentence which omits a lot of important details. This happened in an experimental setting, not an actual production setting. It was a net positive energy output when ONLY accounting for the energy input of the actual lasers, not when accounting for the mechanisms which fired the lasers (which had an energy efficiency of about 1%, although this efficiency could be higher if they used more advanced laser generator/whatnots). It was generated in a way that in no way resembles what current attempts at a production ready, maintainable, fusion reactor look like (tokamaks), and was instead, as stated before, essentially a design meant for experiments where fusion occurred (basically by shooting a pellet of fusion material into the central focus of a bunch of powerful lasers). The LLNL is, and always has been, a experimental laboratory meant for primarily nuclear weapons testing and maintenance, and as such, have the ability to test nuclear fusion (via this inertial confinement setup), as fusion occurs in thermonuclear bombs, of which the US certainly has many in its stockpile. This test, while a big "milestone", is the equivalent of building a specialized fuel efficient vehicle which gets 500 miles to the gallon by sacrificing almost everything that makes a car a car, and then equating that as to say that every car on the road will be getting 500 miles to the gallon any day now. When in fact, the only thing achieved was the ability to say that we've made a car get 500 miles to the gallon.
Keyframe 4y ago
My sweet dude, it's a prototype literally released as a CHAT bot to public to tinker with seventeen days ago.

cauthon 4y ago

The forever relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1831/ https://xkcd.com/1831/

worldsayshi 4y ago
It's worth it to try with fresh eyes though right? Maybe you get lucky?

lovecg 4y ago

It boggles my mind that people are now dismissive towards technology that would have been literal science fiction _a year ago_ while at the same time being pessimistic about future progress.

davewritescode 4y ago
I think you’re exaggerating quite a bit. Language models have been evolving for years. The problem I have with GPT is that is wonderful at confidently writing things that are completely incorrect. It works wonderfully at generating fluff. I’m not a pessimist I love this kind of thing. I just understand the delta between impressive demo and real useful product. It’s why self driving still isn’t pervasive in our lives after being right around the corner for the better part of a decade.
woeirua 4y ago
The world is full of compelling tech demos that fail to make much of a splash.
- kfarr 4y ago
  We are mistaking this for a splash when instead it is the ripple before the shock wave
  - otabdeveloper4 4y ago
    No. "AI" isn't creating new information complexity. (In fact it's making the world simpler, by regurgitating smooth-sounding statistically average statements.) Information complexity is the true test of intelligence, and the current crop of "AI" is actually making computing dumber, not smarter. But yes, "dumber" is often more useful. But the industries "AI" will revolutionize are the kinds of industries where "dumber" is more profitable (e.g., copywriting spam, internet pornography, casual games, etc.) so the world will be poorer for it.
- TapWaterBandit 4y ago
  Users of chatgpt went from 0 to 1 million in five days. Show me the compelling tech demo that did that without being a big deal.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
    i want to see the actual use cases for these less than perfect AIs. only recently they've become useful enough to actually assist with coding, which is indeed impressive, but what else can they really do? they can answer questions, yes, but it's tough to tell if it's telling the truth or making stuff up which is kind of a problem. code at least compiles or doesn't so its easy to verify.
  - tome 4y ago
    Dwarf Fortress shipped 160k units in 24 hours, and moreover people paid money for it. That won't make a dent on the course of history. https://cogconnected.com/2022/12/dwarf-fortress-sells-160000-copies-under-24-hours/ https://cogconnected.com/2022/12/dwarf-fortress-sells-160000...
lambdatronics 4y ago
Just going back and look at GPT-2's output, it's amazing how much better this system is. It still doesn't "understand" anything, but the coherence of what it spits out has gone up drastically. https://thegradient.pub/gpt2-and-the-nature-of-intelligence/ https://thegradient.pub/gpt2-and-the-nature-of-intelligence/
Twisell 4y ago
Maybe you think it's a revolution but older folk see that as an evolution. It remind me of the alice bot hype of my youth, which in retrospect was just an evolution fromthe ELIZA hype of 1966. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA We are actually far from sci-fi where is my flying delorean and clean fusion energy for humankind? An as far as AI is concerned where is HAL 9000?
- edanm 4y ago
  > Maybe you think it's a revolution but older folk see that as an evolution. I don't know what you consider "older" folk but I highly doubt you speak for every member of that group. Also, I don't think the distinction here between "revolution" and "evolution" is so clear cut (or important.)
- valdiorn 4y ago
  > ...and clean fusion energy for humankind Well, we did just produce the world's first clean fusion energy this week. https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-fusion-power-plant-commercial-b2246755.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/nuclear-fusion-power-plan...
  - eddsh1994 4y ago
    3 whole energy for the low cost of 300 energies!
  - methodical 4y ago
    This once again represents a sentence which omits a lot of important details. This happened in an experimental setting, not an actual production setting. It was a net positive energy output when ONLY accounting for the energy input of the actual lasers, not when accounting for the mechanisms which fired the lasers (which had an energy efficiency of about 1%, although this efficiency could be higher if they used more advanced laser generator/whatnots). It was generated in a way that in no way resembles what current attempts at a production ready, maintainable, fusion reactor look like (tokamaks), and was instead, as stated before, essentially a design meant for experiments where fusion occurred (basically by shooting a pellet of fusion material into the central focus of a bunch of powerful lasers). The LLNL is, and always has been, a experimental laboratory meant for primarily nuclear weapons testing and maintenance, and as such, have the ability to test nuclear fusion (via this inertial confinement setup), as fusion occurs in thermonuclear bombs, of which the US certainly has many in its stockpile. This test, while a big "milestone", is the equivalent of building a specialized fuel efficient vehicle which gets 500 miles to the gallon by sacrificing almost everything that makes a car a car, and then equating that as to say that every car on the road will be getting 500 miles to the gallon any day now. When in fact, the only thing achieved was the ability to say that we've made a car get 500 miles to the gallon.

Keyframe 4y ago

My sweet dude, it's a prototype literally released as a CHAT bot to public to tinker with seventeen days ago.