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>Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Come on now. They were linking directl
by NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it.
Come on now. They were linking directly to the tracker that Sweeney was banned for, not just reporting on the story about it.
It was a childish petulant doxxing on purpose and they got treated the same as Sweeney.
- sillysaurusx 4y agoNot quite. Some of the journalists linked to a Facebook page about the topic, which is a small but crucial distinction. Banning for linking to peripheral news stories is pretty bad.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y agoThe Facebook page is where Sweeney said you could find the tracker...
- jhugo 4y agoWhen did a Facebook page become a "peripheral news story"?
- RavingGoat 4y agoOne simply called out his lie about the attack on the car. He didn't even file a police report.
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- richbell 4y agoIf you were attacked by someone and got a clear picture of their license plate, would you: a) report it to the police, who have direct access to vehicle registrations and can easily find the perpetrator or b) post on Twitter asking random people if they recognize a person's face or license plate? https://nitter.it/@ZacksJerryRig/status/1603286484785586178 https://nitter.it/@ZacksJerryRig/status/1603286484785586178 https://nitter.it/pic/orig/enc/bWVkaWEvRmtBR0FsUGFjQUE4MjQzLmpwZw== https://nitter.it/pic/orig/enc/bWVkaWEvRmtBR0FsUGFjQUE4MjQzL...
- BoorishBears 4y agoDid you really make an account just to spam low-effort comments in Elon's favor in the comments of this article? Has his recent behavior been that defensible?
- nickthegreek 4y agoWell it would add some credibility to a man who has burnt up his benefit of the doubt quota.
- DocTomoe 4y agoGiven that the police is mostly a hassle and pretty useless otherwise, especially when you are part of the uberrich, I am not surprised. Why spend valuable time at the precinct trying to make a high-school-dropout in uniform understand what they are supposed to do if you can just hire private security?
- shapefrog 4y agoWhen you are spinning up lawsuits (allegedly) to sue induviduals around an indident that occured (allegedly) - it makes your case, that these induviduals were party to a crime, much stronger if you have at least a police report, statements etc of the crime in question.
- MallocVoidstar 4y agoHis jet's location isn't doxxing and the public has a legitimate interest in it.
- wfme 4y agoWhat exactly is this "legitimate" interest?
- kasey_junk 4y agoThe general premise about why flight data is public is because the planes are using a public good. The airspace of a place is a commons, what happens in the commons is everyone’s to know.
- zajio1am 4y agoThe same argument could be used about cars using roads or even pedestrians using sidewalks.
- kasey_junk 4y agoYes. And it is. Pedestrians don’t have any right to privacy in public and we demand behaviors of them for the privilege of using public commons.
- forgotpwd16 4y agoWould love to read HN reactions if pedestrians were mandated to wear a GPS bracelet when outside.
- kasey_junk 4y ago“We should remove transponders from private airplanes as the occupants privacy is more important than the safety they provide” is certainly a plank someone could run on if they wanted to change the current laws.
- revetkn 4y agoMaybe, but the last straw for me on that platform was preventing tweets from linking to arbitrary, non-doxxing Mastodon profiles (try it and see). I tested it to confirm and deactivated my account afterwards. Who would want to be on a social network like that?
- notinfuriated 4y agoWhy didn't you leave when they blocked tweets that linked to the Hunter Biden laptop story?
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- godelski 4y agoYou're allowed to be upset about more than one thing.
- notinfuriated 4y agoYes, you absolutely are. Nothing in my comment suggested you are not. The comment I responded to specifically was upset about censorship targeted at tweeting Mastodon links and not another version of censorship which came in the exact same form but targeted X links. I just gave X a name. I find it somewhat absurd that a person would become indignant when the link is Y instead of X.
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- yurodivuie 4y agoThey were banned for including a link to where Sweeney moved. I wonder if everyone who posts a link to these journalists will get banned too. If it were an algorithm, everyone in Twitter would be banned by tomorrow. I hope it works.
- EGreg 4y agoPerhaps now we can see how Freedom Ain't Free. You can't claim to be a free speech absolutist, or a supporter of the second amendment, but then go ban stuff you don't like as soon as it concerns YOU. Doxxing isn't illegal. I thought Elon claimed that ONLY violation of national laws could be the basis for deplatforming. As if his understaffed team can make legal decisions on the spot, and output true/false about millions of tweets that fall into gray areas. They don't even KNOW the whole body of law, and they aren't the judge or jury either. I had two discussions with Noam Chomsky about how capitalism has co-opted Freedom of Speech, just like it has done with Women's Lib and many other things In 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovxY1qBfek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovxY1qBfek A year later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc
- hgdfhgdfhgdfbgf 4y agoHow is the second amendment relevant here? Zuckerberg's jet account and others like it were also banned.
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- nephanth 4y agoI mean the location of his jet is public information (all flight plans are public records). Plus he's a public personality, so not really concerned by most of that "anti-doxxing" rule
- lovich 4y agoOn that note, for anyone who would argue he didn’t consent to giving up his right to privacy on where he travels, he explicitly used his presence as a tool to endorse companies, people, and activities. You can’t actively imply people should give you and your business partners money because you physically showed up to a location and then be upset that people care where you are physically located
- lovich 4y agoOn that note, for anyone who would argue he didn’t consent to giving up his right to privacy on where he travels, he explicitly used his presence as a tool to endorse companies, people, and activities. You can’t actively imply people give you and your business partners money because you physically showed up to a location and then be upset that people care where you are physically located
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y agoThat's a ridiculous argument. Just because he does some public relations stuff doesn't mean it's ok to blast out his location to the world. Yes, it's public information, but so what? Would you want a Twitter account dedicated to broadcasting your movements to the world?
- tluyben2 4y agoIf I owned a private jet, I would assume it is broadcasted, because it has to be, legally. Nothing you can do. Anyone can find it, so what’s the difference if a Twitter account links it? Obviously it’s a different story if someone would indeed make his (and his family) real-time moves outside his jet known. But I haven’t seen that unless he announced it himself.
- TulliusCicero 4y agoHow is it "doxxing" to use public flight data? Am I missing something here?
- notinfuriated 4y agoI think of it as about the same as the recent complaints that Elon Musk posting 'prosecute Fauci' means he is responsible for Dr. Fauci receiving death threats, or whatever the actual consequence was of that. That is, the idea or information already exists and is publicly available to anyone, but it has been 'amplified' here and this makes it much more serious. (I disagree with the logic in both cases.)
- rosnd 4y agoWhat adsbexchange, flightradar & co. are doing is almost certainly illegal in Europe under the GDPR. This isn't exactly "public flight data", in many cases it's illegally collected and published flight data. E: I can't reply to "imnotjames" below thanks to HN ratelimits, but here you go: It's an obvious GDPR violation, just like it'd be an obvious GDPR violation to publish a similar database but with phone IMEIs and associated locations instead of aircraft.
- imnotjames 4y agoHow is it illegal?
- Nas808 4y agoThe FAA has a program called LADD (Limiting Aircraft Data Displayed) and high-profile individuals, etc can sign up to it. The major players in the flight tracking business like FlightRadar24 or FlightAware follow that. But sites like ADS-B Exchange do not adhere to that, so you can see a lot more flights that are blocked on the others. Also anyone with a Raspberry Pi and a cheap antenna can build their own ADS-B receiver and get that unfiltered data.
- TulliusCicero 4y agoMusk lives in the US, I imagine most of his flights are within the US. Not sure why you're bringing up GDPR.
- checkyoursudo 4y agoHow many degrees of separation from actually PII is allowed? Would posting a link to an account that posts a link to the tracker be an offense? Banning people for posting a link to someone else possibly violating the rules seems like a step way too far.