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Forgejo – Launching a Fork of Gitea
- synergy20 4y agocall it gitgo please? forgejo is a non starter name to me.
- TylerE 4y agoGo is rather an… overloaded word at this point
- return_to_monke 4y agocould you say .... generic?
- adjusted 4y agoIs Gitea a for-profit project? What's wrong with that?
- jrop 4y agohttps://blog.gitea.io/2022/10/open-source-sustainment-and-the-future-of-gitea/ https://blog.gitea.io/2022/10/open-source-sustainment-and-th... Yeah looks like they are selling support, which I have no problem with. I actually recently set up Gitea and Drone together and it is a match made in heaven. I don't have a problem if open source developers try to monetize their work. I will likely try to do the same with a few projects in the future, lol
- tomxor 4y agoI don't have any problem with them selling support and hosting. I do have a problem with "An enhanced enterprise version", because this often means arbitrarily locking features behind that enterprise version and working against the interests of the open source code base. What happens in reality is probably more down to the immediate maintainers... however with bad incentives it's just a matter of time.
- cmjs 4y agoI also don't have a problem if open source developers try to monetize their work. In fact I think it's great, if done right. But context is important here. In Gitea's case, I think this could have been done right, with the community's knowledge and involvement. But that's not what happened. Two of the three "elected owners" of the project effectively undertook a hostile takeover, transferring the ownership of the domains and trademarks to a secretive private company, without telling anyone until after the fact. I know people who were formerly active maintainers, and they were taken completely by surprise – even though it turns out that preparations for this had been ongoing behind closed doors for many months. At first, I and many others thought it was perhaps a case of failures of communication, and were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But after an open letter was signed by many community members, and the people behind Gitea Ltd had ample opportunity to improve the situation, they only dug their heels in and made things worse, and refused to answer questions beyond corporate-speak PR posts. It was at that point that the decision was taken to fork. As a Gitea user and as someone who is excited about the forge ecosystem and the future of forge federation, I truly hope that Gitea as a community project continues to thrive, and that the company ultimately doesn't derail the community. Unfortunately, I am also very pessimistic about that being the reality, and so I think this fork is a very positive development.
- tiagod 4y agoI remember some disagreements about control of key domains and infrastructure between the OSS maintainers and the nonprofit/company mamagement.
- joencott 4y agoThe open letter gives all the details you need to know https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/ https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/
- TheBrokenRail 4y agoWhile the seeming lack of communication from the Gitea owners (see the Gitea open letter) is a bit worrying, it does seem a bit premature to fork and potentially fragment the community before they've actually done anything.
- gtaylor 4y agoGitea itself was forked off of Gogs.
- josephcsible 4y agoGitea said they were going to make "An enhanced enterprise version" (i.e., a proprietary version). That's bad enough to warrant a fork in my book.
- joencott 4y agoIf only everyone follows ddevault's advice and starts each project with AGPL, that way no company can steal the code.
- TylerE 4y agoSo it’s stealing to use a license you don’t like? As an outsider, your posts throughout this thread come across as whiny, entitled m, and thoroughly self-serving.
- josephcsible 4y agoNo. Using a pushover license instead of the AGPL is like not locking your door, and using other people's free work in your own non-free product is stealing from the commons.
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- joencott 4y ago
- notpushkin 4y agoSee also: Open letter to Gitea, https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/ https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33372471 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33372471 – 28 days ago (134 comments)
- yewenjie 4y agoJust letting people know Gitea is already a fork of Gogs. So there are going to be three similar but parallel projects all sharing some history? https://github.com/gogs/gogs https://github.com/gogs/gogs
- avinassh 4y agoIs there anyway I can find out the differences between two gogs and gitea?
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y agohttps://docs.gitea.io/en-us/comparison/ https://docs.gitea.io/en-us/comparison/
- asddubs 4y agoI kind of wonder how accurate the comparison is. I mean I have little doubt that what's listed is accurate, and that gitea is more fully featured than gogs, but isn't there anything gogs does that gitea doesn't? It's still being developed after all
- earthjasonlin 4y agoYou can try it out on your own. There is a specification that says "Be warned that we don’t regularly check for feature changes in other products, so this list may be outdated. "
- cglong 4y agoI've been thinking about a self-hosted setup that has public issues but private code. Apparently Gogs supports this, while Gitea has had an open request for it since 2017ish.
- mekster 4y agoHard to pronounce name sounds already like a bad start.
- joencott 4y agoIt's easy \ˈfor.d͡ʒe.jo\ the Esperanto word for forge
- riffraff 4y agoThe problem is g and j have a variety of pronunciations across languages, some of them overlapping! And English being the mess that it is, it has multiple pronunciations itself. So It is a bit of a messy name, tho I appreciate I can read it with the Italian interpretation of those.
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago… unless your first language is very different from Esperanto. It really does sound weird. I already imagine trying to sell this at my $DAYJOB (I would likely have to "fork" it myself just to replace a few strings in the codebase that mention the original name).
- joencott 4y agoWhat does it sound like in your language?
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y agoNothing bad or unpleasant, It just sounds very foreign and hard to pronounce. When I hear it (in my head), the first thing that comes to mind is some sort of a hairy middle-aged male character in a Spanish soap opera. Doesn't really matter for me personally, but very much does matter in a work context. People have already had trouble with calling Gitea by its proper name and just calling it 'git'.
- thiht 4y ago> unless your first language is very different from Esperanto. Even with a language close to Esperanto (French) it’s hard to pronounce, and not very catchy. Honestly using an Esperanto word is a bit uninspired and mediocre.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoso can anyone here quantify gogs gitea forgejo how are they different? which one is more mature, more stable? more likely to not go kaput?
- joencott 4y agoForgejo is a community-run fork because the project should not be owned by a for-profit company.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agowhy fork gitea and not gogs? is gitea "better" than the former?
- encryptluks2 4y agoYes, you can see a comparison on Gitea's website. The Gitea community has put substantial development into growing Gitea into becoming a GitHub/GitLab alternative. I hope Forgejo will take it further, or that Gitea will actual work to become a community project like they promised.
- pgeorgi 4y agoThe people starting forgejo were working on and with gitea before. With that I suppose the question is "Why fork anything but gitea?"
- avinassh 4y agoare the core developers and other contributors migrating to Forgejo?
- cmjs 4y agoSome of them have migrated. I imagine others are taking more of a "wait-and-see" approach. For what it's worth, Codeberg is quite a major contributor to Gitea as well as the biggest public instance, and they are supporting the fork and will be switching over after the first stable release.
- hsn915 4y agoSounds like pointless drama to be honest.
- sandreas 4y agoMmh, I wonder what integrating act[1] into a CI System would look like... you could easily migrate your github projects to self-hosted and still support something like woodpecker ci. [1]: https://github.com/nektos/act https://github.com/nektos/act
- joencott 4y agoThis should not be trusted, the for-profit company worked on in secret on this for months with multiple people, and released it today in a code dump with no input from the community. Now they have no incentive to support alternative CI/CD like woodpecker
- kuramitropolis 4y agoNice to see they're keeping the pronunciation ambiguity!
- rjzzleep 4y agoWell-being and moderation teams were already created. Must be a VERY vibrant community. There is a section for what does Forgejo offer but what does it offer that gitea does not?
- joencott 4y agoForgejo is owned by an independent community instead of a for-profit company, and promises to be free/libre forever!
- techdragon 4y agoSo, reducing to the actual difference we have … “not them” and “promises to be different from them” … As someone using neither of them Im genuinely perplexed why anyone trying to work in this space thinks they have a snowballs chance in hell of long term survival if they don’t have some level of critical mass. If the moment the mass reaches critical and business organisation is needed to deal with the legal and business stuff… this whole debacle is a very hardline open source philosophy shitshow and I fully expect this splinter group to eventually fail with the longer term survival of the parent project now less certain because they lost some of that critical mass right at a crucial moment in their growth towards a sustainable level of business cashflow (which is a necessary evil in order for developers working in any software to make a god damn living and not die starving in a gutter) … So yeah, please tell me why your promises make you qualitatively better at something I would care about? If your business/community are getting the bulk of their growth from the community of people being alienated from a much larger, older, platform… it behoves you to not make it harder for people to choose you from the other options as they walk out the proverbial door.
- joencott 4y ago> developers working in any software to make a god damn living and not die starving in a gutter There are many examples of opensource developers receiving full time payment from the community. Krita, Godot, and more all exist long term. You can earn a living, and respect user freedoms.
- tommica 4y agoExciting - the action does seem to fit with how codeberg presents themselves! And they should have no trouble battle-testing their project.
- archerx 4y agoThis is interesting but does codeberg dictate what projects are acceptable? From this post it seems that codeberg has an authoritarian vibe to the point where you can produce “wrong code”; https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/794#issuecomment-694942 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/794#issuecomm... If that is the case I’ll stick with my self hosted gitlab.
- kamikazechaser 4y ago> From this post it seems that codeberg has an authoritarian vibe to the point where you can produce “wrong code”; This aged well. One of the mods has already threatened to ban someone who literally did nothing wrong.
- joencott 4y agoA platform needs to be moderated, and I support Codeberg. Ddevault and SourceHut already banned all cryptocurrency-related projects.
- archerx 4y agoThanks for the clarification. I’m not a crypto dev or into crypto much but I’m not into the idea of banning people for “wrong code”, “wrong speak” or idealogical reasons so I’ll be sure to stay away from sourceHut, Ddevault and codeberg. Good luck to you none the less.
- huggingmouth 4y agoI share your concerns and principled stance. These ideological driven policies are akin to polices encouraging bookburnings in my eyes. Futile polices that do nothing but hurt those who perpetuate it and engage in it.
- orwin 4y agoI don't know, i have a friend who went to the UK in 2015 to work on ready-made dropshipping website that they sold to influencers, and latter on the business shifted to ready-made shitcoins they sold to influencers, with "additionnal code" sold separately (throttle selling, and bypassing the throttle for example). I think the main solidity code was hosted on sourceforge, and this made me kind of boycott the website (i mean, i don't use it much anyway). I understand they need to make money, but hosting tools designed to create scams is a bit too much. I think they sold (or disbanded) the company last year, so i'm not sure if the product is still hosted there. I guess that if you don't want to pay a moderation team who can read code, banning solidity code and crypto-related project is good enough. I only wrote this as a counterpoint. i understand your stance, you don't want private company to support censorship. I don't really want that either, but i also don't want private companies to allow scam to be run on their plateforms, and to me, protecting less informed citizens is more important that protecting an ideological concept. It's a trade off for me, and i understand people who don't weigh things the same way.
- zx8080 4y agoEsperanto name is a strange choice. Is it a result of voting in community?
- vpzom 4y agoI assume this is meant to be "forĝejo" (place of forging), but dropping the accent makes it "distant gay man" instead
- r-w 4y agoThe “j” is pronounced like the English letter “y”.