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Playstation 6 Release Leaked

37 points by midspectrum 4y ago

oblio 4y ago
I guess it's the standard console cycle, probably with a refresh in the middle, around 2024? Oh, how is PS5 performance compared to 2022 midrange gaming PCs? I remember some sort of benchmarks and for 2020 I think it was very competitive.
- IceWreck 4y ago
  Even in 2022, you wont be able to build a PC that matches PS5 or Series X performance for 500 USD. Not even 700 USD outside of North America.
- ErneX 4y ago
  I doubt they are doing mid gen refreshes this time. Previous gen it made sense due to 4K TVs getting traction, this time even 2 years into the new cycle consoles are still hard to find, some have already even increased prices (PS5) and MS is already talking about them raising prices too. Plus, not many truly next-gen games have been released so far.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  It still is extremely competitive, merely for the fact that it's $500. You cannot, today, get any good GPU for less than that price. An RTX3060 is $439 (if you can find one), the Intel Arc A770 is $350 if I remember correctly. A midrange gaming PC these days will easily cost you over a thousand dollars, more if you're still looking to get the scalped out cards. Of course, it's awfully restricted, and dear fucking god I wish I could at least write custom software for it. A PS5 + Moonlight for streaming games that are on the PC still would be amazing.
autotune 4y ago
Playstation 5 is still experiencing shortages even after all this time, you can only really find one if you join a wait list or pay a markup. The game catalog leaves more to be desired as well, I can only find like 3 games right now specifically for PS5 that are not also on PC worth playing, but fine, maybe that's more to do with me specifically. Either way, can we maybe resolve the current shortages before looking forward to the next one?
- fabian2k 4y ago
  This is a leak from court documents that indicates that the PS6 will probably be released in 5 years at the soonest. So there is still a lot of time. And I don't think the PS5 is that hard to get by now, though of course this will vary by region. Most games are still cross-generation, but that is always the case. And they do look better on the PS5, though obviously they can't really take full advantage of the new capabilities, especially the much faster storage. But e.g. Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok still look very, very good on the PS5 and are not available on PC, even though they are cross-gen.
  - autotune 4y ago
    > And I don't think the PS5 is that hard to get by now, though of course this will vary by region. I just double checked online, which is why I mentioned that, without typing in my zip code. Best Buy: sold out, Amazon: available by invitation, eBay: selling at $700 vs $500 anywhere else. So like I said, either sold out or at a markup that is not currently worth it.
    - fabian2k 4y ago
      I got mine over a year ago by following a bot that tweeted when it was in stock at a few large retailers. Didn't take that long, and I also didn't have to be extremely fast (e.g. using a bot that automatically buys). I assume it is better now, and from what I've heard it might be more available in retail stores and not online, where the scalpers tend to buy out the stock. Though I hope we're close to the point where it doesn't really pay off for the scalpers anymore.
  - jejeyyy77 4y ago
    It’s sold out everywhere.
- mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
  What are the 3 games? Returnal should be on that list, amazing game and uses unique PS5 controller features. If you haven’t played The Last Of Us then I would say that is a must even though that was a PS4 title but is a PS exclusive. Death Loop is an awesome game as well. might be on PC, I dunno since I only game on PS. To me there is a huge jump in graphics quality from PS4 to PS5. It will take time for game devs to get games out that use better graphics, etc. and the PS6 is likely a half decade away or longer, these things never are early. I used to game on PC but got sick of upgrades costing more than a console, having to tweak settings, deal with Windows, etc. when I just want to jump into a game.
jhoelzel 4y ago
> “Even assuming that SIE had the ability and resources to develop a similarly successful franchise to Call of Duty, it would take many, many years and billions of dollars to create a challenger to Call of Duty – and the example of EA’s Battlefield shows that any such efforts would more than likely be unsuccessful." Ouch that has to burn
- nerdix 4y ago
  Interesting thing is that Battlefield is a 20 year old franchise with about a dozen mainline releases, has sold tens of millions of copies, and has likely generated billions in revenue for EA. It's a wildly successful franchise by any metric other than "compared to Call of Duty".
  - jhoelzel 4y ago
    i was thinking exactly that! I have not played in years, but if I had to choose, i would always opt for battlefield over COD. Well at least since BF 1942.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Or, you know, you just fund people to jump ship: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment The industry as a whole would be a lot better off if platform-studio vertical integration were banned, and strict financing-only co-ops set up as counterweights to EA/Activision accumulation.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So no company that owns a platform should be able to release its own software? Should a platform owner be able to fund a third party studio to produce content? Should the courts force a game maker to support all platforms?
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      IMHO, no, yes, no. The intent is to prohibit platforms from leveraging their greater capital reserves to purchase and permanently acquire (and platform-limit) those who make software, thereby decreasing competition between platforms and increasing profits. There's never been an industry where this worked well for the consumer or society. See: ATT, IBM, Microsoft, Apple.
cowsup 4y ago
They’re simply saying that Xbox’s promise to keep Activision software on PlayStation “long-term” is likely only going to last for this console generation, and will end around the time of the PS6. This is their attempt at putting the phrase “long-term” into perspective. This isn’t an announcement or leak on the scale of the GTA 6 leak. Just Sony stating the obvious fact that the PS5 will not be their only console for the rest of time.
- UltraViolence 4y ago
  That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So does PlayStation release all of its IP on Xbox?
    - kotaKat 4y ago
      No, and if I want to develop for Playstation I have an immense gatekeeping process, ten times worse than developing for Xbox or even Nintendo.
  - Victerius 4y ago
    Counterpoint 1: The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position. Counterpoint 2: The product is video games at the end of the day. It's not exactly as important as life saving drugs or internet service providers, where antitrust resources are more needed. There is an unlimited number of ways for consumers to entertain themselves.
    - sofixa 4y ago
clircle 4y ago
2027 might be enough time for me to finish my back log of ps4 games.
haunter 4y ago
Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increase too. I don't know the whole thing is just crazy to me.
- exitb 4y ago
  Consoles themselves are typically sold at cost or loss even. Sony makes majority of the money on games and associated services. In that model it just makes sense keep the release cycle as long as possible. In the phone business there are associated services too, but the hardware itself can be immensely profitable.
- adammarples 4y ago
  They also need games. Getting a new playstation every year that didn't have any games yet would be kind of pointless.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    Putting out a $1,000 console every year would be self-defeating in another way - a console has two value propositions: 1. Platform exclusives. 2. It's cheaper than a computer. Otherwise, it's a gimped computer that won't run most of the stuff you want and is difficult to use. Putting out a new model every year will make your console significantly more expensive than getting a computer. If you raise the price to $1,000, it will make your console insanely more expensive than getting a computer.
    - badpun 4y ago
      Also, no fooling around with graphics drivers, wondering if your rig's specs are good enough etc. On the other hand, gaming PC have mouse+keyboard input.
- 4y ago
teamonkey 4y ago
It doesn't really leak a release date, just when they say they plan to stop making Activision games available on Playstation. IMO it's ambiguous about whether that means they'll continue to make new games for the Playstation platform as soon as the merger is concluded, it could be that they are just allowing the back catalogue to remain up on PSN until 2027. A 7-year release cycle is normal though. PS2 - 2000 PS3 - 2006 PS4 - 2013 PS5 - 2020 Xbox - 2001 X360 - 2005 XB1 - 2013 XB-SX - 2020
Thaxll 4y ago
"leak" 5 years before release is not a leak it's a sensational head line. Especially when you read: which is likely to occur around [redacted])
sylware 4y ago
Even when we will reach the reasonable maximum of transistor shrinking, then GPUs can scale up based on electric power. If we allocate 1kW for a gaming system, GPUs will be able to scale up a lot more. That's for theory, then the limiting factor could become the vram unable to feed fast enough the GPU, then we could imagine GPUs with "less vram", but something ultra fast like "only cache memory". playstation 10?
- sylware 4y ago
  oh... and in the 1kW, it could include the peltier (intense cooling) energy cost.
m3kw9 4y ago
Is like taking credit for saying apple leaked the eventual release of iPhone 15, 16 and 17
richliss 4y ago
I'm more interested in know if the Pro versions of the PS5 and XSX come out in 2023. I've read rumours, anyone here work in gaming and seen them as devkits?

37 points by midspectrum 4y ago

I guess it's the standard console cycle, probably with a refresh in the middle, around 2024? Oh, how is PS5 performance compared to 2022 midrange gaming PCs? I remember some sort of benchmarks and for 2020 I think it was very competitive.

IceWreck 4y ago
Even in 2022, you wont be able to build a PC that matches PS5 or Series X performance for 500 USD. Not even 700 USD outside of North America.
ErneX 4y ago
I doubt they are doing mid gen refreshes this time. Previous gen it made sense due to 4K TVs getting traction, this time even 2 years into the new cycle consoles are still hard to find, some have already even increased prices (PS5) and MS is already talking about them raising prices too. Plus, not many truly next-gen games have been released so far.
ohgodplsno 4y ago
It still is extremely competitive, merely for the fact that it's $500. You cannot, today, get any good GPU for less than that price. An RTX3060 is $439 (if you can find one), the Intel Arc A770 is $350 if I remember correctly. A midrange gaming PC these days will easily cost you over a thousand dollars, more if you're still looking to get the scalped out cards. Of course, it's awfully restricted, and dear fucking god I wish I could at least write custom software for it. A PS5 + Moonlight for streaming games that are on the PC still would be amazing.

autotune 4y ago

Playstation 5 is still experiencing shortages even after all this time, you can only really find one if you join a wait list or pay a markup. The game catalog leaves more to be desired as well, I can only find like 3 games right now specifically for PS5 that are not also on PC worth playing, but fine, maybe that's more to do with me specifically. Either way, can we maybe resolve the current shortages before looking forward to the next one?

fabian2k 4y ago
This is a leak from court documents that indicates that the PS6 will probably be released in 5 years at the soonest. So there is still a lot of time. And I don't think the PS5 is that hard to get by now, though of course this will vary by region. Most games are still cross-generation, but that is always the case. And they do look better on the PS5, though obviously they can't really take full advantage of the new capabilities, especially the much faster storage. But e.g. Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok still look very, very good on the PS5 and are not available on PC, even though they are cross-gen.
- autotune 4y ago
  > And I don't think the PS5 is that hard to get by now, though of course this will vary by region. I just double checked online, which is why I mentioned that, without typing in my zip code. Best Buy: sold out, Amazon: available by invitation, eBay: selling at $700 vs $500 anywhere else. So like I said, either sold out or at a markup that is not currently worth it.
  - fabian2k 4y ago
    I got mine over a year ago by following a bot that tweeted when it was in stock at a few large retailers. Didn't take that long, and I also didn't have to be extremely fast (e.g. using a bot that automatically buys). I assume it is better now, and from what I've heard it might be more available in retail stores and not online, where the scalpers tend to buy out the stock. Though I hope we're close to the point where it doesn't really pay off for the scalpers anymore.
- jejeyyy77 4y ago
  It’s sold out everywhere.
mattbrewsbytes 4y ago
What are the 3 games? Returnal should be on that list, amazing game and uses unique PS5 controller features. If you haven’t played The Last Of Us then I would say that is a must even though that was a PS4 title but is a PS exclusive. Death Loop is an awesome game as well. might be on PC, I dunno since I only game on PS. To me there is a huge jump in graphics quality from PS4 to PS5. It will take time for game devs to get games out that use better graphics, etc. and the PS6 is likely a half decade away or longer, these things never are early. I used to game on PC but got sick of upgrades costing more than a console, having to tweak settings, deal with Windows, etc. when I just want to jump into a game.

jhoelzel 4y ago

> “Even assuming that SIE had the ability and resources to develop a similarly successful franchise to Call of Duty, it would take many, many years and billions of dollars to create a challenger to Call of Duty – and the example of EA’s Battlefield shows that any such efforts would more than likely be unsuccessful." Ouch that has to burn

nerdix 4y ago
Interesting thing is that Battlefield is a 20 year old franchise with about a dozen mainline releases, has sold tens of millions of copies, and has likely generated billions in revenue for EA. It's a wildly successful franchise by any metric other than "compared to Call of Duty".
- jhoelzel 4y ago
  i was thinking exactly that! I have not played in years, but if I had to choose, i would always opt for battlefield over COD. Well at least since BF 1942.
ethbr0 4y ago
Or, you know, you just fund people to jump ship: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment The industry as a whole would be a lot better off if platform-studio vertical integration were banned, and strict financing-only co-ops set up as counterweights to EA/Activision accumulation.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So no company that owns a platform should be able to release its own software? Should a platform owner be able to fund a third party studio to produce content? Should the courts force a game maker to support all platforms?
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    IMHO, no, yes, no. The intent is to prohibit platforms from leveraging their greater capital reserves to purchase and permanently acquire (and platform-limit) those who make software, thereby decreasing competition between platforms and increasing profits. There's never been an industry where this worked well for the consumer or society. See: ATT, IBM, Microsoft, Apple.

cowsup 4y ago

They’re simply saying that Xbox’s promise to keep Activision software on PlayStation “long-term” is likely only going to last for this console generation, and will end around the time of the PS6. This is their attempt at putting the phrase “long-term” into perspective. This isn’t an announcement or leak on the scale of the GTA 6 leak. Just Sony stating the obvious fact that the PS5 will not be their only console for the rest of time.

UltraViolence 4y ago
That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So does PlayStation release all of its IP on Xbox?
  - kotaKat 4y ago
    No, and if I want to develop for Playstation I have an immense gatekeeping process, ten times worse than developing for Xbox or even Nintendo.
- Victerius 4y ago
  Counterpoint 1: The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position. Counterpoint 2: The product is video games at the end of the day. It's not exactly as important as life saving drugs or internet service providers, where antitrust resources are more needed. There is an unlimited number of ways for consumers to entertain themselves.
  - sofixa 4y ago

clircle 4y ago

2027 might be enough time for me to finish my back log of ps4 games.

haunter 4y ago

Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increase too. I don't know the whole thing is just crazy to me.

exitb 4y ago
Consoles themselves are typically sold at cost or loss even. Sony makes majority of the money on games and associated services. In that model it just makes sense keep the release cycle as long as possible. In the phone business there are associated services too, but the hardware itself can be immensely profitable.
adammarples 4y ago
They also need games. Getting a new playstation every year that didn't have any games yet would be kind of pointless.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  Putting out a $1,000 console every year would be self-defeating in another way - a console has two value propositions: 1. Platform exclusives. 2. It's cheaper than a computer. Otherwise, it's a gimped computer that won't run most of the stuff you want and is difficult to use. Putting out a new model every year will make your console significantly more expensive than getting a computer. If you raise the price to $1,000, it will make your console insanely more expensive than getting a computer.
  - badpun 4y ago
    Also, no fooling around with graphics drivers, wondering if your rig's specs are good enough etc. On the other hand, gaming PC have mouse+keyboard input.
4y ago

teamonkey 4y ago

It doesn't really leak a release date, just when they say they plan to stop making Activision games available on Playstation. IMO it's ambiguous about whether that means they'll continue to make new games for the Playstation platform as soon as the merger is concluded, it could be that they are just allowing the back catalogue to remain up on PSN until 2027. A 7-year release cycle is normal though. PS2 - 2000 PS3 - 2006 PS4 - 2013 PS5 - 2020 Xbox - 2001 X360 - 2005 XB1 - 2013 XB-SX - 2020

Thaxll 4y ago

"leak" 5 years before release is not a leak it's a sensational head line. Especially when you read: which is likely to occur around [redacted])

sylware 4y ago

Even when we will reach the reasonable maximum of transistor shrinking, then GPUs can scale up based on electric power. If we allocate 1kW for a gaming system, GPUs will be able to scale up a lot more. That's for theory, then the limiting factor could become the vram unable to feed fast enough the GPU, then we could imagine GPUs with "less vram", but something ultra fast like "only cache memory". playstation 10?

sylware 4y ago
oh... and in the 1kW, it could include the peltier (intense cooling) energy cost.

m3kw9 4y ago

Is like taking credit for saying apple leaked the eventual release of iPhone 15, 16 and 17

richliss 4y ago

I'm more interested in know if the Pro versions of the PS5 and XSX come out in 2023. I've read rumours, anyone here work in gaming and seen them as devkits?