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Who doesn't love a bit of smoothed brown noise to drown out the outside world. No need to diagnose yourself with ADHD over it.

klysm 4y ago
I don't think anybody is diagnosing themselves with ADHD over this, but if you have ADHD it seems like a good thing to know. I definitely agree smoothed brown noise > brown noise though.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  I’m not an ADHD emissary but… please folks, self diagnose. Don’t self treat, that’s what we do anyway. If you think you have ADHD, take it seriously until you don’t. If you’re still taking it seriously, talk to a professional. We’re wildly underdiagnosed, and you’re probably right.
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    Yeah.. I got diagnosed with ADHD at 34 and my life has improved substantially with the treatment following diagnosis. If I hadn't seen stuff floating around on the internet and "self diagnosed" (Reading people's experiences with ADHD and thinking Hey! That's me!) enough to ask a doctor about it, I'd still be struggling way more than I need to.
  - cpsns 4y ago
    Exactly, if you think you might have it get yourself tested. If you end up not having it you can be glad, if you do end up having it your life will probably make a lot more sense very quickly.
  - P_I_Staker 4y ago
    Yeah I would argue ADHD is almost self diagnoseable. The biggest issue is similarity with depression or bipolar. ADHD people can seem more bipolar than bipolar people, because the average person doesn't understand these conditions. They would observe someone that's very mercurial and moody, and say it's definitely bipolar. Bipolar is a state that lasts for and extended time, days to weeks. It doesn't mean you're euphoric in the morning, but depressed two hours later. That could be many things including ADHD.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      > ADHD people can seem more bipolar than bipolar people As someone living with Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder I cannot disagree with this more. I know many people with ADHD and they all are nothing like me. > Bipolar is a state that lasts for and extended time, days to weeks. It doesn't mean you're euphoric in the morning, but depressed two hours later. This is not true either for all of us. I have episodes of ultra rapid cycling that means my cycles can be as quick a two hours. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9702745/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9702745/
      - P_I_Staker 4y ago
        Hey good to know bud. I think there's lots of information out there that says otherwise, but I know WebMD, Mayo, ect. can be tricky. I was speaking to the perception of ADHD. Hair trigger moods are often interpreted as "bipolar"... I'm talking from experience of ADHD symptoms being seen as bipolar. I wasn't trying to say anyone was just like you :). Just that some ADHD symptoms can be misinterpreted as bipolar, which I'm confident is true. I'm very interested in the information you provided and appreciate you taking the time to discuses. This could be useful information! Hope you're doing well.
        FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        > Just that some ADHD symptoms can be misinterpreted as bipolar, which I'm confident is true. By lay people yes, I would assume so, but most people without a mood disorder have no idea. But msitaking ADHD for Bipolar is much less likely by psychiatrists. I am sure it goes both ways so sorry for painting an overly broad brush, but I have been in the field for a while. ADHD is sort of a thing right now so the trend is misdiagnosis of ADHD. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21318193/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21318193/ "ADHD was overdiagnosed (all patients with ADHD had received the diagnosis, as did 38% of patients with MDD and 29% of patients with BD, respectively)," Just a anecdote. Both myself and my nephew were "diagnosed" with ADHD, and both ta the same young age. They gave us both ADHD meds and it led to a horrible manic episode for me and it led to my nephew's suicide.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    > We’re wildly underdiagnosed, and you’re probably right. Why? Why is this happening all of the sudden? Is it genetics? Environment? Culture? Why is no one asking the important questions and just popping pills and going on with their life?
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      > Why? Because there are a bunch of biases which lead to underdiagnosis. One is that the diagnostic criteria are centered around behavior in children as observed by adults, rather than around what actual symptoms people with ADHD experience directly. Another is the kinds of stigmatization you’ve engaged with here, and in previous threads. Several biases lead to underdiagnosis of women, people of color, poorer people and people with other mental health issues. And in general biases against psychiatric medications. > Why is this happening all of the sudden? It’s not. There has been a long term trend, for as long as I can remember, of more people gradually overcoming some of those biases, leading to increased diagnoses. There has been a recent upsurge in diagnoses since the pandemic began, true, with many of its stressors probably contributing to people recognizing symptoms with which they’d coped better previously. > Is it genetics? Environment? Culture? Genetics is probably a major contributing factor. ADHD in parents is a strong predictor of ADHD in their children. Environment and culture probably contribute significantly to severity and recognition of symptoms. > Why is no one asking the important questions Why do you think so? > and just popping pills and going on with their life? Note: I did not encourage anyone to pop pills. And I specifically discouraged self-medication in my encouragement of self-diagnosis. Anyone who takes this advice, and who then decides to consider treatment, should consult with a doctor.
      - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        > Because there are a bunch of biases which lead to underdiagnosis. No. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html It is not possible to tell whether this increase represents a change in the number of children who have ADHD, or a change in the number of children who were diagnosed. >Genetics is probably a major contributing factor. Is it your opinion our genetics are changing? Would it not be more likely that the environment was changing? Mobile Phone Use, Blood Lead Levels, and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Symptoms in Children: A Longitudinal Study https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0059742 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... Effect of Short-Term LTE RF-EMF Exposure on Dopamine Signaling and Behaviors in Mice http://www.jkiees.org/archive/view_article?pid=jkiees-31-10-847 http://www.jkiees.org/archive/view_article?pid=jkiees-31-10-... >> Why is no one asking the important questions > Why do you think so? I can only speak for myself. Because once I understood the biological pathways that lead to ADHD I saw there was more to the story than just genetics. > Another is the kinds of stigmatization you’ve engaged with here, What? I have Schisoaffective Bipolar Disoder, disabled with it for the last 30 years. Off all meds now because I know genetics, the pathways, and the diet/environment that affects me. I do not undersatdn how saying that there is more to ADHD than your psychiatrist knows right now is stigmatizing. I have no problem with people taking pharm meds.

klysm 4y ago

I don't think anybody is diagnosing themselves with ADHD over this, but if you have ADHD it seems like a good thing to know. I definitely agree smoothed brown noise > brown noise though.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
I’m not an ADHD emissary but… please folks, self diagnose. Don’t self treat, that’s what we do anyway. If you think you have ADHD, take it seriously until you don’t. If you’re still taking it seriously, talk to a professional. We’re wildly underdiagnosed, and you’re probably right.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  Yeah.. I got diagnosed with ADHD at 34 and my life has improved substantially with the treatment following diagnosis. If I hadn't seen stuff floating around on the internet and "self diagnosed" (Reading people's experiences with ADHD and thinking Hey! That's me!) enough to ask a doctor about it, I'd still be struggling way more than I need to.
- cpsns 4y ago
  Exactly, if you think you might have it get yourself tested. If you end up not having it you can be glad, if you do end up having it your life will probably make a lot more sense very quickly.
- P_I_Staker 4y ago
  Yeah I would argue ADHD is almost self diagnoseable. The biggest issue is similarity with depression or bipolar. ADHD people can seem more bipolar than bipolar people, because the average person doesn't understand these conditions. They would observe someone that's very mercurial and moody, and say it's definitely bipolar. Bipolar is a state that lasts for and extended time, days to weeks. It doesn't mean you're euphoric in the morning, but depressed two hours later. That could be many things including ADHD.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    > ADHD people can seem more bipolar than bipolar people As someone living with Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder I cannot disagree with this more. I know many people with ADHD and they all are nothing like me. > Bipolar is a state that lasts for and extended time, days to weeks. It doesn't mean you're euphoric in the morning, but depressed two hours later. This is not true either for all of us. I have episodes of ultra rapid cycling that means my cycles can be as quick a two hours. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9702745/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9702745/
    - P_I_Staker 4y ago
      Hey good to know bud. I think there's lots of information out there that says otherwise, but I know WebMD, Mayo, ect. can be tricky. I was speaking to the perception of ADHD. Hair trigger moods are often interpreted as "bipolar"... I'm talking from experience of ADHD symptoms being seen as bipolar. I wasn't trying to say anyone was just like you :). Just that some ADHD symptoms can be misinterpreted as bipolar, which I'm confident is true. I'm very interested in the information you provided and appreciate you taking the time to discuses. This could be useful information! Hope you're doing well.
      - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        > Just that some ADHD symptoms can be misinterpreted as bipolar, which I'm confident is true. By lay people yes, I would assume so, but most people without a mood disorder have no idea. But msitaking ADHD for Bipolar is much less likely by psychiatrists. I am sure it goes both ways so sorry for painting an overly broad brush, but I have been in the field for a while. ADHD is sort of a thing right now so the trend is misdiagnosis of ADHD. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21318193/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21318193/ "ADHD was overdiagnosed (all patients with ADHD had received the diagnosis, as did 38% of patients with MDD and 29% of patients with BD, respectively)," Just a anecdote. Both myself and my nephew were "diagnosed" with ADHD, and both ta the same young age. They gave us both ADHD meds and it led to a horrible manic episode for me and it led to my nephew's suicide.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  > We’re wildly underdiagnosed, and you’re probably right. Why? Why is this happening all of the sudden? Is it genetics? Environment? Culture? Why is no one asking the important questions and just popping pills and going on with their life?
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    > Why? Because there are a bunch of biases which lead to underdiagnosis. One is that the diagnostic criteria are centered around behavior in children as observed by adults, rather than around what actual symptoms people with ADHD experience directly. Another is the kinds of stigmatization you’ve engaged with here, and in previous threads. Several biases lead to underdiagnosis of women, people of color, poorer people and people with other mental health issues. And in general biases against psychiatric medications. > Why is this happening all of the sudden? It’s not. There has been a long term trend, for as long as I can remember, of more people gradually overcoming some of those biases, leading to increased diagnoses. There has been a recent upsurge in diagnoses since the pandemic began, true, with many of its stressors probably contributing to people recognizing symptoms with which they’d coped better previously. > Is it genetics? Environment? Culture? Genetics is probably a major contributing factor. ADHD in parents is a strong predictor of ADHD in their children. Environment and culture probably contribute significantly to severity and recognition of symptoms. > Why is no one asking the important questions Why do you think so? > and just popping pills and going on with their life? Note: I did not encourage anyone to pop pills. And I specifically discouraged self-medication in my encouragement of self-diagnosis. Anyone who takes this advice, and who then decides to consider treatment, should consult with a doctor.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      > Because there are a bunch of biases which lead to underdiagnosis. No. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/timeline.html It is not possible to tell whether this increase represents a change in the number of children who have ADHD, or a change in the number of children who were diagnosed. >Genetics is probably a major contributing factor. Is it your opinion our genetics are changing? Would it not be more likely that the environment was changing? Mobile Phone Use, Blood Lead Levels, and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Symptoms in Children: A Longitudinal Study https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0059742 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... Effect of Short-Term LTE RF-EMF Exposure on Dopamine Signaling and Behaviors in Mice http://www.jkiees.org/archive/view_article?pid=jkiees-31-10-847 http://www.jkiees.org/archive/view_article?pid=jkiees-31-10-... >> Why is no one asking the important questions > Why do you think so? I can only speak for myself. Because once I understood the biological pathways that lead to ADHD I saw there was more to the story than just genetics. > Another is the kinds of stigmatization you’ve engaged with here, What? I have Schisoaffective Bipolar Disoder, disabled with it for the last 30 years. Off all meds now because I know genetics, the pathways, and the diet/environment that affects me. I do not undersatdn how saying that there is more to ADHD than your psychiatrist knows right now is stigmatizing. I have no problem with people taking pharm meds.