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So, what other car (that I can buy now) gives me the same range?

cjrp 4y ago
Tesla Model 3 - 374 miles BMW i4 - 365 miles Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles BMW iX - 380 miles Mercedes EQE - 384 miles
- _ea1k 4y ago
  The i4 is overrated there. I think the 70mph test was only ~240 miles. The 3 LR does ~300 on the same test. The 3 also wins on charge speeds. The Mach-E and ix are both a little better than they look though. The ix actually does amazingly well on range tests.
- bell-cot 4y ago
  First impression: those ranges are well within manufacturing tolerances / testing quirks / etc. of each other.
  - polygamous_bat 4y ago
    Apologies in advance because I don't know much about cars, but how can there be a 100km difference just from testing quirks?
    - bell-cot 4y ago
      (My reply was to cjrp's comment - where the largest difference was only 19 miles.)
- Symbiote 4y ago
  That's interesting. I don't own a car and I'm not looking for one, but I still had the impression Tesla was leading on range. However, they're beaten at both price levels, potentially with a significant price discount. Mercedes EQS 450+, 640km, €106,307 Tesla Model S Plaid, 540km, €140,995 Mercedes EQE 350+, 525km, € 79,850 Tesla Model 3 LR DM, 485km, € 60,995 BMW i4 eDrive40, 470km, € 60,630 VW ID.3 Pro S 5Seats 450km, € 43,720 https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~number~desc|availability-checkbox-dropdown:pathGroup=.current https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~n...
  - fallingknife 4y ago
    There's a third issue besides price and range in the EV market right now. Wait time. e.g. that VW ID.3 has a wait time of over a year for delivery. That crosses it off my shopping list, unfortunately.
  - raspberry1337 4y ago
    In Europe where I live - VW, BMW and Mercedes do not have a reliable system of recharging for longer trips. Why they are not working to create that is beyond me.
    - mingus88 4y ago
      Ironically, the US has a head start on a nationwide EV charging network specifically because VW was a bad faith actor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History VW only did this because they were forced to. It's no mystery why traditional ICE manufacturers would be dragging their feet to modernize.
    - brohee 4y ago
      Ionity is owned exactly by those actors, and seems pretty developed (and developing) to me https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      You don't seem to be across what's happening in Europe. All of the companies you mentioned are invested in Ionity which provides 350 kW chargers at over 400 locations: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are Europe has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo for charging. Any CCS EV can charge on any CCS charging network. Teslas can charge on Ionity, BMWs can charge on Tesla chargers, charging networks like FastNed, BP, GridServe, EnBW, Circle K and friends can charge all brands, etc.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
- clouddrover 4y ago
  Real world range tests for highway driving: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    That is one of the best tests out there, IMO. I do wish they'd add their charge curve details to it somehow. Something like the estimated time to completely a 600 mile trip would be an interesting detail, as range isn't the only thing that matters.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  marketing claims or real mileage? because european manufacturers making up numbers is a thing as proven in court.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Aren't all EV ranges measured based on the latest EU measurement standard? Which means cars are incredibly prepped for those tests, but the results are not made up and they are more or less comparable between models and brands.
MrMan 4y ago
make sure to researched tested vs claimed range, Teslas have good range but fall short from claimed range by large %, there are cars that end up having the same or better range like the Taycan even though the claimed range from Porsche is less! do your own research, correlation is not your coin, etc
- _ea1k 4y ago
  Yes, its complicated. Most people are more concerned with highway miles in the real world, but the big number that gets printed is combined milage.
ulfw 4y ago
A Mercedes EQS has more range than even the best Tesla S Dual Motor. A Lucid Air too.

cjrp 4y ago

Tesla Model 3 - 374 miles BMW i4 - 365 miles Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles BMW iX - 380 miles Mercedes EQE - 384 miles

_ea1k 4y ago
The i4 is overrated there. I think the 70mph test was only ~240 miles. The 3 LR does ~300 on the same test. The 3 also wins on charge speeds. The Mach-E and ix are both a little better than they look though. The ix actually does amazingly well on range tests.
bell-cot 4y ago
First impression: those ranges are well within manufacturing tolerances / testing quirks / etc. of each other.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  Apologies in advance because I don't know much about cars, but how can there be a 100km difference just from testing quirks?
  - bell-cot 4y ago
    (My reply was to cjrp's comment - where the largest difference was only 19 miles.)
Symbiote 4y ago
That's interesting. I don't own a car and I'm not looking for one, but I still had the impression Tesla was leading on range. However, they're beaten at both price levels, potentially with a significant price discount. Mercedes EQS 450+, 640km, €106,307 Tesla Model S Plaid, 540km, €140,995 Mercedes EQE 350+, 525km, € 79,850 Tesla Model 3 LR DM, 485km, € 60,995 BMW i4 eDrive40, 470km, € 60,630 VW ID.3 Pro S 5Seats 450km, € 43,720 https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~number~desc|availability-checkbox-dropdown:pathGroup=.current https://ev-database.org/#sort:path~type~order=.erange_real~n...
- fallingknife 4y ago
  There's a third issue besides price and range in the EV market right now. Wait time. e.g. that VW ID.3 has a wait time of over a year for delivery. That crosses it off my shopping list, unfortunately.
- raspberry1337 4y ago
  In Europe where I live - VW, BMW and Mercedes do not have a reliable system of recharging for longer trips. Why they are not working to create that is beyond me.
  - mingus88 4y ago
    Ironically, the US has a head start on a nationwide EV charging network specifically because VW was a bad faith actor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrify_America#History VW only did this because they were forced to. It's no mystery why traditional ICE manufacturers would be dragging their feet to modernize.
  - brohee 4y ago
    Ionity is owned exactly by those actors, and seems pretty developed (and developing) to me https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status https://ionity.eu/en/network/network-status
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    You don't seem to be across what's happening in Europe. All of the companies you mentioned are invested in Ionity which provides 350 kW chargers at over 400 locations: https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are https://ionity.eu/en/ionity/who-we-are Europe has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo for charging. Any CCS EV can charge on any CCS charging network. Teslas can charge on Ionity, BMWs can charge on Tesla chargers, charging networks like FastNed, BP, GridServe, EnBW, Circle K and friends can charge all brands, etc.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVohXHjLro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY
clouddrover 4y ago
Real world range tests for highway driving: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/
- _ea1k 4y ago
  That is one of the best tests out there, IMO. I do wish they'd add their charge curve details to it somehow. Something like the estimated time to completely a 600 mile trip would be an interesting detail, as range isn't the only thing that matters.
ekianjo 4y ago
marketing claims or real mileage? because european manufacturers making up numbers is a thing as proven in court.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Aren't all EV ranges measured based on the latest EU measurement standard? Which means cars are incredibly prepped for those tests, but the results are not made up and they are more or less comparable between models and brands.

MrMan 4y ago

make sure to researched tested vs claimed range, Teslas have good range but fall short from claimed range by large %, there are cars that end up having the same or better range like the Taycan even though the claimed range from Porsche is less! do your own research, correlation is not your coin, etc

_ea1k 4y ago
Yes, its complicated. Most people are more concerned with highway miles in the real world, but the big number that gets printed is combined milage.

ulfw 4y ago

A Mercedes EQS has more range than even the best Tesla S Dual Motor. A Lucid Air too.