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Show HN: Browse HN Together in Three.js

268 points by declan_g 4y ago

Hey HN, We’re Philip, Amby, and Declan, and we made “multiplayer virtual computers” that you can embed anywhere, including 3D spaces. We decided to build this because we noticed that embedding third-party apps and websites can be a nightmare due to incompatible platforms, security issues, and poor UX. Adding multiplayer functionality to these embeds makes this problem exponentially more difficult. On the backend, we’re spinning up a VM and running a resource-optimized fork of Chromium which we then stream to participants via WebRTC. Since we’re hosting the servers running the applications, multiple users can connect and control the virtual computer seamlessly, and their client just needs to handle a video stream. If you want to add multiplayer virtual computers to your own app, you can sign up on https://hyperbeam.com/?ch=hn&cm=hn1 https://hyperbeam.com/?ch=hn&cm=hn1, grab a free API key, and throw the provided embed URL in an iframe in your app. You can also play around more with the Three.js demo in our interactive sandbox: https://app.sideguide.dev/hyperbeam/threejs/ https://app.sideguide.dev/hyperbeam/threejs/ If you have any questions or feedback, feel free to comment or shoot me an email at declan@hyperbeam.com. Thanks! Docs: https://docs.hyperbeam.com https://docs.hyperbeam.com Discord: https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq

sgt 4y ago
Beginning of the HN Metaverse
- philipscott 4y ago
  If HN had a metaverse, what would people want it to be like?
owow123 4y ago
I write a open source desktop environment, supported by spice-html5, and I'm impressed (its survived the NH "hug of death") - this is true sourcey. Amazing job OP :)
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  Thanks! I'm intrigued by what you built (long-time Linux user here), can you share a link?
  - owow123 4y ago
    Whatever I've built is not ready for NH. Bask in your glory, truly amazing job :)
philipscott 4y ago
Several people are curious about the magic behind Hyperbeam. If you ever want to chat here's all our emails + Discord tags: founders@hyperbeam.com philip@hyperbeam.com (CEO) - Philip#9001 amby@hyperbeam.com (CTO) - Ambyjkl#4365 declan@hyperbeam.com (CPO) - Dek#7777
AtNightWeCode 4y ago
does not work. firefox dev
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  Also which OS? I have a hunch your version of Firefox doesn't have the H.264 codec which we need
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks for letting us know, what version of Firefox are you on? Here's the Github repo by the way: https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example
  - still_grokking 4y ago
    It does not work in Firefox on Linux. First of all some spyware stuff from cloudflare gets blocked by the ad-blocker. But this is not the root of the problem as it doesn't work either without the ad-blocker active. Minified JS Script dies with some cryptic backtrace. I've tried on the hyperbeam.com website and it does not work either. It lies straight in my face about a missing H.264 codec. (Which works fine according to https://test-videos.co.uk/bigbuckbunny/mp4-h264 https://test-videos.co.uk/bigbuckbunny/mp4-h264). It seems you never tested your stuff. The console is full of errors: Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/v652eace1692a40cfa3763df669d7439c1639079717194. (Reason: CORS request did not succeed). Status code: (null). None of the “sha512” hashes in the integrity attribute match the content of the subresource. -oXZ36ekQX2btnYIZSdj2g WEBGL_debug_renderer_info is deprecated in Firefox and will be removed. Please use RENDERER. chunk-vendors.9d9d262d.js:6:31482 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/v652eace1692a40cfa3763df669d7439c1639079717194. (Reason: CORS request did not succeed). Status code: (null). None of the “sha512” hashes in the integrity attribute match the content of the subresource. -oXZ36ekQX2btnYIZSdj2g Some cookies are misusing the recommended “SameSite“ attribute 4 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://416c35e0.hyperbeam.com/ok?vm=0. (Reason: CORS header ‘Access-Control-Allow-Origin’ missing). Status code: 200. Object { type: "New", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 Object { type: "Create", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 WebRTC: Using more than two STUN/TURN servers slows down discovery 2 vendorlate.27cb1e73.js:14 WebRTC: Using five or more STUN/TURN servers causes problems 2 vendorlate.27cb1e73.js:14 Object { type: "Consume", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 Consume error: cannot consume1 The "cannot consume1" is the error that shows also on the three.js demo.
coldblues 4y ago
Rabb.it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb.it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb.it) did this some years ago. It was an amazing service, but it unfortunately shut down. This is very close to what it was back then.
- philipscott 4y ago
  We actually started out as a clone of Rabb.it in December 2019, we went by the name "Tutturu.tv": https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/efkznp/fydp_tutturutv_a_shared_browser_experience_like/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/efkznp/fydp_tutt... The watch party website is still up at https://watch.hyperbeam.com https://watch.hyperbeam.com, we're the biggest Rabb.it alt that offers virtual browsers. Without Rabb.it, we wouldn't be here haha
WaffleIronMaker 4y ago
This is very impressive technology, but I'm not sure what I'd use it for, to be honest. Does this technology have support for VR? Because I could see how this could be the future of doing computationally intensive tasks on under powered devices.
- declan_g 4y ago
  Thanks! We began building the tech for a watch party site (watch.hyperbeam.com) and were similarly skeptical of other viable applications. However, it turns out there are a ton of really cool use cases—here are some companies using our API right now: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com VS Code embeds: https://github.com/mintlify/connector https://github.com/mintlify/connector As for improving VR support, we're in the process of building a Unity SDK. Running computationally-expensive tasks in VR sounds really interesting in addition to the social use-case!
nirajsheladiya 4y ago
wow good stuff
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  Thanks :)
jimhi 4y ago
This is awesome! Is there a way to get this to work on mobile? Tried on safari and chrome
- declan_g 4y ago
  Thanks! Yes, it works on mobile too. When using the API you can set a specific height and width to resize the virtual computer. Additionally, we track touch events and you can drag-and-drop on devices like iPads. Happy to chat more about it if you'd like! Feel free to join our Discord: https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq
  - jimhi 4y ago
    It just shows a black screen where the browser should be on my phone but looks great in the browser. If I wanted to run code that would say scroll through a site for everyone to watch, what is the best way to do it? From your docs looks like I should make a chrome extension and then have it install that?
    - ambyjkl 4y ago
      Which version of iOS are you on?
      - retrofuturism 4y ago
        Latest. 15.6.1
        ambyjkl 4y ago
        Thanks, I'll go look at what's happening
        mmazzarolo 4y ago
        FYI I’m experiencing the same identical issue with the latest version of iPadOS.
mertysn 4y ago
Too many agents (i.e. humans, bots) are trying to load NSFW gifs and even if you want to prevent them from doing so, the shortcuts are on their side to revisit past links. Good luck with content moderation. Even if you implemented a way to vote bad actors out (e.g. you can kick players from game lobbies that don't follow the rules via having a server-wide vote), I believe it would be out-botted.
XCSme 4y ago
This sounds/looks very interesting, but I am not sure what the use-case is, from what I can tell the quality is pretty low in the demo (and can't full-screen), isn't something like TeamViewer a lot more performant (being p2p)?
- declan_g 4y ago
  Hi, thanks for the comment. Just to clarify—this is a demo of the virtual computer tech in 200 lines of code. It's not actually meant to be a functional product in and of itself. With that said, the virtual computer technology has some big differences when compared to something like TeamViewer. - First off, Hyperbeam allows many participants to connect to the same virtual computer at once. All audio/video is synchronized, and any participant can control it (although our API has granular control permissions). - Hyperbeam requires no downloads - We manage the infrastructure ourselves, meaning you can embed Hyperbeam virtual computers in your app and scale seamlessly - You can embed Hyperbeam virtual computers in 3D software and VR - You can programmatically control the web browser Here are some companies that are currently using our tech: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com
  - XCSme 4y ago
    Thanks for the explanation! Ok, I see, so the focus is more on the technology than the end-product. How does it handle concurrency in interactions? https://liveblocks.io/blog/how-to-build-undo-redo-in-a-multiplayer-environment https://liveblocks.io/blog/how-to-build-undo-redo-in-a-multi...
tradester 4y ago
this is really cool
- declan_g 4y ago
  Thanks! We think so too :)
philipscott 4y ago
Hi HN! Happy to answer any questions you have about the demo and the tech.
- peteforde 4y ago
  1. This is genuinely impressive. It's a solid example of the reason I visit HN. Kudos to your team. 2. I'm genuinely curious how you anticipate folks using this. The watch-party use case is interesting but it's a crowded space and people are not likely lining up to pay. It seems like hilarious overkill for content embedding. I'm wondering what the killer app is? In the most optimistic way possible. It's almost like it's so far ahead, I worry that people won't know what to do with it. It's like the "what would you do with infinite bandwidth" problem... even smart people tap out creatively depressingly quickly.
  - philipscott 4y ago
    Thanks! > I'm wondering what the killer app is? In the most optimistic way possible We're in the process of figuring it out, but we believe the interactive aspect is super powerful. Our landing page (https://hyperbeam.com https://hyperbeam.com) showcases some of our happy customers.
aneesv 4y ago
You mentioned on your website that you have an android emulator, but I couldn't find more details. Do you have a demo URL for the android emulator? I'd love to check it out!
- philipscott 4y ago
  We're still building it out. In the meantime, there are alternatives like https://anbox-cloud.io/ https://anbox-cloud.io/ which you can try. Is there any use-case you have in mind? We're struggling to find people that want android emulators.
  - aneesv 4y ago
    We at appmaker.xyz helps Shopify merchants to create native mobile apps without coding. An online emulator will help us to show a preview/demo in the browser. Currently, we're using appetize.
coconut_t1 4y ago
Wow, super cool stuff. Would love to know more about the server-side architecture and how you handle security in your VMs. Also, loved the interactive sandbox demo.
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks! Is there anything specific you want to learn more about? At a high level we run a fork of Chromium in the cloud, capture the desktop using gstreamer and stream it back to everyone using Mediasoup. The folks at SideGuide made the interactive demo for us — we love it too.
  - oplav 4y ago
    Very cool! Is gstreamer used end to end? Mostly curious if you are using CEF (via cefsrc) and webrtcbin, or if you handled the input and output differently.
    - ambyjkl 4y ago
      Thanks! Actually it's neither: we run full Chromium rather than CEF and Mediasoup for webrtc. We have looked into webrtcbin as well, but it wasn't the best fit for us.
      - oplav 4y ago
        Interesting! I've been using webrtcbin for some production work but it's been broadcasting of low latent internally used video with no user input back. I've seen demos of user input with webrtcbin, but have never done it in practice. If you can, do you mind sharing why webrtcbin wasn't a good fit for you (or why MediaSoup was better)?
        ambyjkl 4y ago
        webrtcbin is nice for one-to-one, but we were looking for something that's a better fit for one-to-many, which is where mediasoup came in. That being said, mediasoup is quite complex from a maintainability perspective since it's designed to handle several use cases, so we plan on making our own webrtc streaming solution in the future that's designed with only one-to-many in mind
ARRgonaute 4y ago
This is pretty damn cool...
throwaway888abc 4y ago
Tried Youtube and was surprisingly good. Impressed by Hyperbeam tech behind. Bookmarked for later.
- declan_g 4y ago
  Thanks, we've been working hard on it!
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks. We started out as a watch party website (https://tutturu.tv https://tutturu.tv) to watch anime with friends, so it should handle video very well. The watch party website is still up here: https://watch.hyperbeam.com https://watch.hyperbeam.com
chaiv 4y ago
Cool stuff guys!!!
ceasesurthinko 4y ago
This is the most random funnest thing i've done in days. I tried to inception it by pasting the hyperbeam link into the VC, didn't work though heh.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  https://xkcd.com/244/ https://xkcd.com/244/ I was also disappointed it didn't work.
  - philipscott 4y ago
    You can actually get it to work if you run it locally. The problem is that the demo requires WebGL, and the servers we're handing out don't support WebGL. See the "webgl" parameter here: https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session#parameters https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session#parameters A little easter egg for the devs that try our API :)
dang 4y ago
Related: Launch HN: Hyperbeam API (YC W22) – Multiplayer embeds of any website - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104 - Feb 2022 (63 comments)
ambyjkl 4y ago
Hi HN! I'm the CTO of Hyperbeam, happy to answer all the technical questions :)
kaetemi 4y ago
Wow. That remote view runs surprisingly smooth on my cheap phone. Nice work.
tauwauwau 4y ago
What sorcery is this? Youtube videos are opening without any delay (within half a second) and there's no frame lag even with 1080 quality setting. How does this work?
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  I'm surprised Widevine DRM allows this but I guess you can't really detect "I'm in a VM and being streamed visually by the host". You can't even take a screenshot of YouTube TV if you don't run it in a VM. Goes to the clipboard as all black. How does HyperBeam not get abused (and consequentially shut down) for people wanting to share a stream of a pay-per-view / YouTube TV style subscription with their friends?
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    Widevine isn't used on regular videos.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- philipscott 4y ago
  After you visit the link, copy-paste it into a new window. The content will be synchronized ;)
  - tauwauwau 4y ago
    If I leave the video playing and close the tab, it keeps on playing the audio.
    - philipscott 4y ago
      Yep. We're running Chromium in the cloud and streaming it back as a video. When you visit https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com, it will create a "room" and append the room ID to the URL (e.g. https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/abc https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/abc). All viewers in the same room see and hear the same video stream, and can control the same browser instance.
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
Might want to make your "Sign in with GitHub" not be "allow phillipscott" username/account or whatever.
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thank you so much for pointing that out, I'll fix that ASAP. Also, this is a bit of a tangent but my first name has one "L". My mother named me after the Philippines and I'm of Scottish descent on my father's side.
  - MuffinFlavored 4y ago
    https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session I can't type/paste anything into the API key "Bearer" box above "Send Request" either. The "Body" tab seems clickable but also doesn't work.
    - philipscott 4y ago
      Thanks for pointing that out, we just shipped the docs "playground" system and it appears there's a few bugs — you'll need to use something like cURL in the meantime. Here's a snippet you can start with: curl -X POST -H 'Authorization: Bearer <your-api-key>' https://engine.hyperbeam.com/v0/vm https://engine.hyperbeam.com/v0/vm
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
Looking over the API docs now https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session First thing that comes to my mind is... this is kind of like Puppeteer. Even if that is what they are using in the background... would they ever expose it so existing Puppeteer apps could plug and play (like https://www.browserless.io/ https://www.browserless.io/)?
- philipscott 4y ago
  We're not using puppeteer in the background, but people have asked for puppeteer support. Do you use browserless.io? We think they do a great job and don't see a point competing with them. Would appreciate your thoughts.
  - hugs 4y ago
    Selenium & Appium creator here. I'm kinda jumping up and down at how awesome this demo is. While browser automation with puppeteer would be cool... I see in your docs that you also support running a remote Android emulator. As someone who spends a lot of time in the test automation space, there is a ton of potential here for mobile test automation (spinning up all kinds of different configs). So here's a vote for using the W3C WebDriver spec [1] if you support an automation API -- then you'll get desktop browser /and/ mobile device automation in the same API.. and it's the W3C standard. :-) 1: https://www.w3.org/TR/webdriver2/ https://www.w3.org/TR/webdriver2/
    - philipscott 4y ago
      Hey hugs, just want to say Selenium is awesome. Super cool having the creator of the testing framework we used during university commenting on our post. Would love to learn more about the mobile test automation space, I'll send off an email.
      - hugs 4y ago
        Please do! Also, fwiw... I'm also a huge fan of Three.js... On my todo list is to embed a live video feed of a mobile device's screen into the simulator [1] for my phone-testing robots. I imagine we'd have a ton to talk about! [1]: https://construct.tapster.io/t3plus https://construct.tapster.io/t3plus
vz8 4y ago
This is remarkable stuff. Suggestion: A hotkey (in or out of the virtual computer) that allows you to reset to the default orientation without having to reload the page. On a laptop with only a touchpad, I'm fighting with the controls a bit.
- philipscott 4y ago
  Do you have a specific hotkey in mind? Curious if there's a hotkey we could choose which is intuitive, so we don't need to add more text in the 3D space.
tyranitar10 4y ago
This is cool. Commenting to come back to
metadat 4y ago
This is simply amazing. I wish it was open source, but totally understand why that is not realistic or possible. It's crazy to think this is built off forked chromium yet there is no really good self-hosted cross-platform Remote Desktop app. Keep up the good work!
- philipscott 4y ago
  We might open-source something in the future. Honestly we haven't open-sourced Hyperbeam because the code is a bit messy. In the mean time you can check out https://github.com/crybapp https://github.com/crybapp, we're partnered with them. Hyperbeam started out as anime watch party website for our engineering capstone project in 2019, so the commit history is a bit comical. https://uwaterloo.ca/news/engineering-students/taking-innovation-next-level https://uwaterloo.ca/news/engineering-students/taking-innova...
fire 4y ago
This is slick, nice job!
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks!
zirror 4y ago
How do you handle user credentials or general inputs? If I type in my Netflix credentials, don't you and/or my watch party friends get access to them in some way?
- declan_g 4y ago
  Great question. We’re building a “privacy mode” feature to address this exact problem that allows the host to black out the screen when entering sensitive information like credentials. As for Hyperbeam getting access to credentials—we don’t store any input from users in the virtual computer. The only things we track are the time a particular IP is connected to the VM and the domains that are visited (this is anonymized).
taaron 4y ago
Very cool - any interesting use cases you have seen from users so far?
- deleted 4y ago
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- declan_g 4y ago
  Yeah! Tbh we've actually been surprised by many. Here are some companies using our API: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com VS Code embeds: https://github.com/mintlify/connector https://github.com/mintlify/connector
chaosprint 4y ago
wow, this is really cool. star it on gh right away. I manage to vist https://glicol.org https://glicol.org and get some live coding music there but the audio seems to be compressed a lot and the cpu seems to be overloaded I cannot open console there so I cannot tell with that being said, I think it is really promising and look forward to the update
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks for pointing that out, we'll dig deeper. Also thanks for showing me glicol, I love dabbling with audio visualizers and often play around with the web audio API. Really cool that somebody made a DSL, I starred the project :)
- philipscott 4y ago
  Spoke to Amby, he said it might be because we throw away frequencies above 10 kHz. We'll try to fix the bug today, thanks again for catching this.
stevebmark 4y ago
Three.js does this out of the box. https://adndevblog.typepad.com/cloud_and_mobile/2015/07/embedding-webpages-in-a-3d-threejs-scene.html https://adndevblog.typepad.com/cloud_and_mobile/2015/07/embe... What am I missing?
- philipscott 4y ago
  That approach relies on an iframe to load 3rd party sites. Sadly, this won't work for a lot of websites like news.ycombinator.com. Furthermore, an iframe cannot be synchronized across participants. If you and I load YouTube in an iframe, it's not guaranteed that our videos are sync'd. With Hyperbeam, you can embed any website and the content is sync'd. Think of it like sitting beside somebody with a computer.
philipscott 4y ago
For anyone looking for the Github repo (it's open source): https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example
crazygringo 4y ago
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand the multiplayer aspect -- I'm in the interactive Chrome browser I can play with, but there's nobody else here. I'm not browsing together with anybody. If it matters, the HN link redirects for me to: https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/672b6071 https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/672b6071 and the ID at the end stays the same even in incognito. Since this is on the front page and I've been waiting around for 5 minutes there must be other people using it. How is it supposed to be multiplayer? EDIT: once I posted this comment somebody else joined, I see how it works now. Very cool. I guess it depends on winding up with a shared ID or something?
- Moosdijk 4y ago
  The first thing another user did was go to 4chan. I think the concept is really cool but maybe it needs a little more thought.
  - philipscott 4y ago
    Yeah we didn't anticipate somebody sharing their room in the comments — we're trying our best to moderate that room. Fingers crossed the board they went on was the papercraft & origami board.
    - maliker 4y ago
      Interesting research question: how to build features to make sharing control less chaotic and potentially moderate abuse. But the core experience is great. Works flawlessly even on an iPhone. Congrats!
- batch12 4y ago
  People seem to be trying really hard to get porn in the browser. There's a battle going on...
  - declan_g 4y ago
    Gahh thanks for the heads up
warpech 4y ago
I can browse the Web like I'm in a data center. Speedtest.net shows 776 Mb downloads, 928 Mb uploads. That's way better than the Internet access where I live.
- bcjordan 4y ago
  Isn't it awesome? That's also a major use case of the Mighty browser/service https://www.mightyapp.com/ https://www.mightyapp.com/
can16358p 4y ago
I have no idea how to use (iPhone, iOS 15.6.1). There is a pink background and a black box saying outside virtual PC, and a few keyboard/mouse shortcuts (which doesn't apply as I'm on mobile)?
- me_bx 4y ago
  Same here on linux. I'm guessing that other visitors get some content instead of the black box...
  - ambyjkl 4y ago
    If you're on linux, you most likely need the H.264 ffmpeg codec package and things like the Cisco OpenH264 plugin for Firefox. Also, try unblocking WebRTC if you block it
    - me_bx 4y ago
      Thanks. I just checked and all of these are installed / enabled. Still, only a black rectangle is shown (also disabled ad blocker). There are a couple of _warning_ messages in the dev console though, which might explain the origin of the issue: > An AudioContext was prevented from starting automatically. It must be created or resumed after a user gesture on the page. > Autoplay is only allowed when approved by the user, the site is activated by the user, or media is muted.
NegativeLatency 4y ago
Didn’t seem to like loading itself :)
parksy 4y ago
The underlying work you guys have done is great as a proof of concept, and after playing with it for a short while there are some obvious flaws and improvements which basically just come down to user experience. As it stands, everyone's inputs clash. The main issue is there's a single mouse pointer and keyboard input that all users control. It's quite chaotic as people scroll, click, select, etc. Provide some mechanism to nominate control authority or vote on interaction and it might be usable.
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  Thanks for the feedback. We already have this feature, it's just not implemented in this demo currently, but we'll be sure to add it. More info here: https://www.npmjs.com/package/@hyperbeam/web#setting-permissions https://www.npmjs.com/package/@hyperbeam/web#setting-permiss...
Zachsa999 4y ago
Wild! Browsing the code, I love that it's basically one main.js file.
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  Thanks, we vehemently oppose bloat in our JS files ;)
graderjs 4y ago
There's source code on GitHub for a simple version of this tech (without multiplayer or smooth and fast streaming): https://GitHub.com/crisdosyago/BrowserBox https://GitHub.com/crisdosyago/BrowserBox And a closed source version that has multiplayer, audio and much faster streaming (than the GitHub version) that uses webrtc. I also have a few projects to bring even higher quality streaming, including an xvfb headful version using an extension to enable getDisplayMedia APIs to share the screen. It's a different approach to Hyperbeam. I love that there are more and more new and young products in this space!
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks for sharing, are you viewfinderjs from this thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104#30436865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104#30436865 Super curious how you got that many stars on your repository, that's impressive!
  - graderjs 4y ago
    Thank you. Yeah my strategy has been: Build. Post. Repeat.
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mupuff1234 4y ago
It's cool and all, but is there an actual use case for the multiplayer aspect? Feels slightly like the infamous "hacking" scene when two people are using the same keyboard.
laserlight 4y ago
After trying to understand for 10 minutes what's supposed to happen, I tried it with Chrome. Doesn't this work with Safari on a Mac?

268 points by declan_g 4y ago

sgt 4y ago

Beginning of the HN Metaverse

philipscott 4y ago
If HN had a metaverse, what would people want it to be like?

owow123 4y ago

I write a open source desktop environment, supported by spice-html5, and I'm impressed (its survived the NH "hug of death") - this is true sourcey. Amazing job OP :)

ambyjkl 4y ago
Thanks! I'm intrigued by what you built (long-time Linux user here), can you share a link?
- owow123 4y ago
  Whatever I've built is not ready for NH. Bask in your glory, truly amazing job :)

philipscott 4y ago

Several people are curious about the magic behind Hyperbeam. If you ever want to chat here's all our emails + Discord tags: founders@hyperbeam.com philip@hyperbeam.com (CEO) - Philip#9001 amby@hyperbeam.com (CTO) - Ambyjkl#4365 declan@hyperbeam.com (CPO) - Dek#7777

AtNightWeCode 4y ago

does not work. firefox dev

ambyjkl 4y ago
Also which OS? I have a hunch your version of Firefox doesn't have the H.264 codec which we need
philipscott 4y ago
Thanks for letting us know, what version of Firefox are you on? Here's the Github repo by the way: https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example
- still_grokking 4y ago
  It does not work in Firefox on Linux. First of all some spyware stuff from cloudflare gets blocked by the ad-blocker. But this is not the root of the problem as it doesn't work either without the ad-blocker active. Minified JS Script dies with some cryptic backtrace. I've tried on the hyperbeam.com website and it does not work either. It lies straight in my face about a missing H.264 codec. (Which works fine according to https://test-videos.co.uk/bigbuckbunny/mp4-h264 https://test-videos.co.uk/bigbuckbunny/mp4-h264). It seems you never tested your stuff. The console is full of errors: Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/v652eace1692a40cfa3763df669d7439c1639079717194. (Reason: CORS request did not succeed). Status code: (null). None of the “sha512” hashes in the integrity attribute match the content of the subresource. -oXZ36ekQX2btnYIZSdj2g WEBGL_debug_renderer_info is deprecated in Firefox and will be removed. Please use RENDERER. chunk-vendors.9d9d262d.js:6:31482 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/v652eace1692a40cfa3763df669d7439c1639079717194. (Reason: CORS request did not succeed). Status code: (null). None of the “sha512” hashes in the integrity attribute match the content of the subresource. -oXZ36ekQX2btnYIZSdj2g Some cookies are misusing the recommended “SameSite“ attribute 4 Cross-Origin Request Blocked: The Same Origin Policy disallows reading the remote resource at https://416c35e0.hyperbeam.com/ok?vm=0. (Reason: CORS header ‘Access-Control-Allow-Origin’ missing). Status code: 200. Object { type: "New", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 Object { type: "Create", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 WebRTC: Using more than two STUN/TURN servers slows down discovery 2 vendorlate.27cb1e73.js:14 WebRTC: Using five or more STUN/TURN servers causes problems 2 vendorlate.27cb1e73.js:14 Object { type: "Consume", payload: {…} } app.fc7f578d.js:1:42733 Consume error: cannot consume1 The "cannot consume1" is the error that shows also on the three.js demo.

coldblues 4y ago

Rabb.it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb.it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb.it) did this some years ago. It was an amazing service, but it unfortunately shut down. This is very close to what it was back then.

philipscott 4y ago
We actually started out as a clone of Rabb.it in December 2019, we went by the name "Tutturu.tv": https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/efkznp/fydp_tutturutv_a_shared_browser_experience_like/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/efkznp/fydp_tutt... The watch party website is still up at https://watch.hyperbeam.com https://watch.hyperbeam.com, we're the biggest Rabb.it alt that offers virtual browsers. Without Rabb.it, we wouldn't be here haha

WaffleIronMaker 4y ago

This is very impressive technology, but I'm not sure what I'd use it for, to be honest. Does this technology have support for VR? Because I could see how this could be the future of doing computationally intensive tasks on under powered devices.

declan_g 4y ago
Thanks! We began building the tech for a watch party site (watch.hyperbeam.com) and were similarly skeptical of other viable applications. However, it turns out there are a ton of really cool use cases—here are some companies using our API right now: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com VS Code embeds: https://github.com/mintlify/connector https://github.com/mintlify/connector As for improving VR support, we're in the process of building a Unity SDK. Running computationally-expensive tasks in VR sounds really interesting in addition to the social use-case!

nirajsheladiya 4y ago

wow good stuff

ambyjkl 4y ago
Thanks :)

jimhi 4y ago

This is awesome! Is there a way to get this to work on mobile? Tried on safari and chrome

declan_g 4y ago
Thanks! Yes, it works on mobile too. When using the API you can set a specific height and width to resize the virtual computer. Additionally, we track touch events and you can drag-and-drop on devices like iPads. Happy to chat more about it if you'd like! Feel free to join our Discord: https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq https://discord.gg/D78RsGfQjq
- jimhi 4y ago
  It just shows a black screen where the browser should be on my phone but looks great in the browser. If I wanted to run code that would say scroll through a site for everyone to watch, what is the best way to do it? From your docs looks like I should make a chrome extension and then have it install that?
  - ambyjkl 4y ago
    Which version of iOS are you on?
    - retrofuturism 4y ago
      Latest. 15.6.1
      - ambyjkl 4y ago
        Thanks, I'll go look at what's happening
        mmazzarolo 4y ago
        FYI I’m experiencing the same identical issue with the latest version of iPadOS.

mertysn 4y ago

Too many agents (i.e. humans, bots) are trying to load NSFW gifs and even if you want to prevent them from doing so, the shortcuts are on their side to revisit past links. Good luck with content moderation. Even if you implemented a way to vote bad actors out (e.g. you can kick players from game lobbies that don't follow the rules via having a server-wide vote), I believe it would be out-botted.

XCSme 4y ago

This sounds/looks very interesting, but I am not sure what the use-case is, from what I can tell the quality is pretty low in the demo (and can't full-screen), isn't something like TeamViewer a lot more performant (being p2p)?

declan_g 4y ago
Hi, thanks for the comment. Just to clarify—this is a demo of the virtual computer tech in 200 lines of code. It's not actually meant to be a functional product in and of itself. With that said, the virtual computer technology has some big differences when compared to something like TeamViewer. - First off, Hyperbeam allows many participants to connect to the same virtual computer at once. All audio/video is synchronized, and any participant can control it (although our API has granular control permissions). - Hyperbeam requires no downloads - We manage the infrastructure ourselves, meaning you can embed Hyperbeam virtual computers in your app and scale seamlessly - You can embed Hyperbeam virtual computers in 3D software and VR - You can programmatically control the web browser Here are some companies that are currently using our tech: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com
- XCSme 4y ago
  Thanks for the explanation! Ok, I see, so the focus is more on the technology than the end-product. How does it handle concurrency in interactions? https://liveblocks.io/blog/how-to-build-undo-redo-in-a-multiplayer-environment https://liveblocks.io/blog/how-to-build-undo-redo-in-a-multi...

tradester 4y ago

this is really cool

declan_g 4y ago
Thanks! We think so too :)

philipscott 4y ago

Hi HN! Happy to answer any questions you have about the demo and the tech.

peteforde 4y ago
1. This is genuinely impressive. It's a solid example of the reason I visit HN. Kudos to your team. 2. I'm genuinely curious how you anticipate folks using this. The watch-party use case is interesting but it's a crowded space and people are not likely lining up to pay. It seems like hilarious overkill for content embedding. I'm wondering what the killer app is? In the most optimistic way possible. It's almost like it's so far ahead, I worry that people won't know what to do with it. It's like the "what would you do with infinite bandwidth" problem... even smart people tap out creatively depressingly quickly.
- philipscott 4y ago
  Thanks! > I'm wondering what the killer app is? In the most optimistic way possible We're in the process of figuring it out, but we believe the interactive aspect is super powerful. Our landing page (https://hyperbeam.com https://hyperbeam.com) showcases some of our happy customers.

aneesv 4y ago

You mentioned on your website that you have an android emulator, but I couldn't find more details. Do you have a demo URL for the android emulator? I'd love to check it out!

philipscott 4y ago
We're still building it out. In the meantime, there are alternatives like https://anbox-cloud.io/ https://anbox-cloud.io/ which you can try. Is there any use-case you have in mind? We're struggling to find people that want android emulators.
- aneesv 4y ago
  We at appmaker.xyz helps Shopify merchants to create native mobile apps without coding. An online emulator will help us to show a preview/demo in the browser. Currently, we're using appetize.

coconut_t1 4y ago

Wow, super cool stuff. Would love to know more about the server-side architecture and how you handle security in your VMs. Also, loved the interactive sandbox demo.

philipscott 4y ago
Thanks! Is there anything specific you want to learn more about? At a high level we run a fork of Chromium in the cloud, capture the desktop using gstreamer and stream it back to everyone using Mediasoup. The folks at SideGuide made the interactive demo for us — we love it too.
- oplav 4y ago
  Very cool! Is gstreamer used end to end? Mostly curious if you are using CEF (via cefsrc) and webrtcbin, or if you handled the input and output differently.
  - ambyjkl 4y ago
    Thanks! Actually it's neither: we run full Chromium rather than CEF and Mediasoup for webrtc. We have looked into webrtcbin as well, but it wasn't the best fit for us.
    - oplav 4y ago
      Interesting! I've been using webrtcbin for some production work but it's been broadcasting of low latent internally used video with no user input back. I've seen demos of user input with webrtcbin, but have never done it in practice. If you can, do you mind sharing why webrtcbin wasn't a good fit for you (or why MediaSoup was better)?
      - ambyjkl 4y ago
        webrtcbin is nice for one-to-one, but we were looking for something that's a better fit for one-to-many, which is where mediasoup came in. That being said, mediasoup is quite complex from a maintainability perspective since it's designed to handle several use cases, so we plan on making our own webrtc streaming solution in the future that's designed with only one-to-many in mind

ARRgonaute 4y ago

This is pretty damn cool...

throwaway888abc 4y ago

Tried Youtube and was surprisingly good. Impressed by Hyperbeam tech behind. Bookmarked for later.

declan_g 4y ago
Thanks, we've been working hard on it!
philipscott 4y ago
Thanks. We started out as a watch party website (https://tutturu.tv https://tutturu.tv) to watch anime with friends, so it should handle video very well. The watch party website is still up here: https://watch.hyperbeam.com https://watch.hyperbeam.com

chaiv 4y ago

Cool stuff guys!!!

ceasesurthinko 4y ago

This is the most random funnest thing i've done in days. I tried to inception it by pasting the hyperbeam link into the VC, didn't work though heh.

moffkalast 4y ago
https://xkcd.com/244/ https://xkcd.com/244/ I was also disappointed it didn't work.
- philipscott 4y ago
  You can actually get it to work if you run it locally. The problem is that the demo requires WebGL, and the servers we're handing out don't support WebGL. See the "webgl" parameter here: https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session#parameters https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session#parameters A little easter egg for the devs that try our API :)

dang 4y ago

Related: Launch HN: Hyperbeam API (YC W22) – Multiplayer embeds of any website - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104 - Feb 2022 (63 comments)

ambyjkl 4y ago

Hi HN! I'm the CTO of Hyperbeam, happy to answer all the technical questions :)

kaetemi 4y ago

Wow. That remote view runs surprisingly smooth on my cheap phone. Nice work.

tauwauwau 4y ago

What sorcery is this? Youtube videos are opening without any delay (within half a second) and there's no frame lag even with 1080 quality setting. How does this work?

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
I'm surprised Widevine DRM allows this but I guess you can't really detect "I'm in a VM and being streamed visually by the host". You can't even take a screenshot of YouTube TV if you don't run it in a VM. Goes to the clipboard as all black. How does HyperBeam not get abused (and consequentially shut down) for people wanting to share a stream of a pay-per-view / YouTube TV style subscription with their friends?
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Widevine isn't used on regular videos.
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philipscott 4y ago
After you visit the link, copy-paste it into a new window. The content will be synchronized ;)
- tauwauwau 4y ago
  If I leave the video playing and close the tab, it keeps on playing the audio.
  - philipscott 4y ago
    Yep. We're running Chromium in the cloud and streaming it back as a video. When you visit https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com, it will create a "room" and append the room ID to the URL (e.g. https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/abc https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/abc). All viewers in the same room see and hear the same video stream, and can control the same browser instance.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

Might want to make your "Sign in with GitHub" not be "allow phillipscott" username/account or whatever.

philipscott 4y ago
Thank you so much for pointing that out, I'll fix that ASAP. Also, this is a bit of a tangent but my first name has one "L". My mother named me after the Philippines and I'm of Scottish descent on my father's side.
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session I can't type/paste anything into the API key "Bearer" box above "Send Request" either. The "Body" tab seems clickable but also doesn't work.
  - philipscott 4y ago
    Thanks for pointing that out, we just shipped the docs "playground" system and it appears there's a few bugs — you'll need to use something like cURL in the meantime. Here's a snippet you can start with: curl -X POST -H 'Authorization: Bearer <your-api-key>' https://engine.hyperbeam.com/v0/vm https://engine.hyperbeam.com/v0/vm

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

Looking over the API docs now https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session https://docs.hyperbeam.com/start-chromium-session First thing that comes to my mind is... this is kind of like Puppeteer. Even if that is what they are using in the background... would they ever expose it so existing Puppeteer apps could plug and play (like https://www.browserless.io/ https://www.browserless.io/)?

philipscott 4y ago
We're not using puppeteer in the background, but people have asked for puppeteer support. Do you use browserless.io? We think they do a great job and don't see a point competing with them. Would appreciate your thoughts.
- hugs 4y ago
  Selenium & Appium creator here. I'm kinda jumping up and down at how awesome this demo is. While browser automation with puppeteer would be cool... I see in your docs that you also support running a remote Android emulator. As someone who spends a lot of time in the test automation space, there is a ton of potential here for mobile test automation (spinning up all kinds of different configs). So here's a vote for using the W3C WebDriver spec [1] if you support an automation API -- then you'll get desktop browser /and/ mobile device automation in the same API.. and it's the W3C standard. :-) 1: https://www.w3.org/TR/webdriver2/ https://www.w3.org/TR/webdriver2/
  - philipscott 4y ago
    Hey hugs, just want to say Selenium is awesome. Super cool having the creator of the testing framework we used during university commenting on our post. Would love to learn more about the mobile test automation space, I'll send off an email.
    - hugs 4y ago
      Please do! Also, fwiw... I'm also a huge fan of Three.js... On my todo list is to embed a live video feed of a mobile device's screen into the simulator [1] for my phone-testing robots. I imagine we'd have a ton to talk about! [1]: https://construct.tapster.io/t3plus https://construct.tapster.io/t3plus

vz8 4y ago

This is remarkable stuff. Suggestion: A hotkey (in or out of the virtual computer) that allows you to reset to the default orientation without having to reload the page. On a laptop with only a touchpad, I'm fighting with the controls a bit.

philipscott 4y ago
Do you have a specific hotkey in mind? Curious if there's a hotkey we could choose which is intuitive, so we don't need to add more text in the 3D space.

tyranitar10 4y ago

This is cool. Commenting to come back to

metadat 4y ago

This is simply amazing. I wish it was open source, but totally understand why that is not realistic or possible. It's crazy to think this is built off forked chromium yet there is no really good self-hosted cross-platform Remote Desktop app. Keep up the good work!

philipscott 4y ago
We might open-source something in the future. Honestly we haven't open-sourced Hyperbeam because the code is a bit messy. In the mean time you can check out https://github.com/crybapp https://github.com/crybapp, we're partnered with them. Hyperbeam started out as anime watch party website for our engineering capstone project in 2019, so the commit history is a bit comical. https://uwaterloo.ca/news/engineering-students/taking-innovation-next-level https://uwaterloo.ca/news/engineering-students/taking-innova...

fire 4y ago

This is slick, nice job!

philipscott 4y ago
Thanks!

zirror 4y ago

How do you handle user credentials or general inputs? If I type in my Netflix credentials, don't you and/or my watch party friends get access to them in some way?

declan_g 4y ago
Great question. We’re building a “privacy mode” feature to address this exact problem that allows the host to black out the screen when entering sensitive information like credentials. As for Hyperbeam getting access to credentials—we don’t store any input from users in the virtual computer. The only things we track are the time a particular IP is connected to the VM and the domains that are visited (this is anonymized).

taaron 4y ago

Very cool - any interesting use cases you have seen from users so far?

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declan_g 4y ago
Yeah! Tbh we've actually been surprised by many. Here are some companies using our API: Remote tutoring: https://www.teachwithkoala.com https://www.teachwithkoala.com VR offices & conferences: https://framevr.io https://framevr.io Watch parties: https://kosmi.io https://kosmi.io Online coding lessons: https://www.strivemath.com https://www.strivemath.com VS Code embeds: https://github.com/mintlify/connector https://github.com/mintlify/connector

chaosprint 4y ago

wow, this is really cool. star it on gh right away. I manage to vist https://glicol.org https://glicol.org and get some live coding music there but the audio seems to be compressed a lot and the cpu seems to be overloaded I cannot open console there so I cannot tell with that being said, I think it is really promising and look forward to the update

philipscott 4y ago
Thanks for pointing that out, we'll dig deeper. Also thanks for showing me glicol, I love dabbling with audio visualizers and often play around with the web audio API. Really cool that somebody made a DSL, I starred the project :)
philipscott 4y ago
Spoke to Amby, he said it might be because we throw away frequencies above 10 kHz. We'll try to fix the bug today, thanks again for catching this.

stevebmark 4y ago

Three.js does this out of the box. https://adndevblog.typepad.com/cloud_and_mobile/2015/07/embedding-webpages-in-a-3d-threejs-scene.html https://adndevblog.typepad.com/cloud_and_mobile/2015/07/embe... What am I missing?

philipscott 4y ago
That approach relies on an iframe to load 3rd party sites. Sadly, this won't work for a lot of websites like news.ycombinator.com. Furthermore, an iframe cannot be synchronized across participants. If you and I load YouTube in an iframe, it's not guaranteed that our videos are sync'd. With Hyperbeam, you can embed any website and the content is sync'd. Think of it like sitting beside somebody with a computer.

philipscott 4y ago

For anyone looking for the Github repo (it's open source): https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example https://github.com/hyperbeam/threejs-example

crazygringo 4y ago

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand the multiplayer aspect -- I'm in the interactive Chrome browser I can play with, but there's nobody else here. I'm not browsing together with anybody. If it matters, the HN link redirects for me to: https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/672b6071 https://threejs-example.hyperbeam.com/672b6071 and the ID at the end stays the same even in incognito. Since this is on the front page and I've been waiting around for 5 minutes there must be other people using it. How is it supposed to be multiplayer? EDIT: once I posted this comment somebody else joined, I see how it works now. Very cool. I guess it depends on winding up with a shared ID or something?

Moosdijk 4y ago
The first thing another user did was go to 4chan. I think the concept is really cool but maybe it needs a little more thought.
- philipscott 4y ago
  Yeah we didn't anticipate somebody sharing their room in the comments — we're trying our best to moderate that room. Fingers crossed the board they went on was the papercraft & origami board.
  - maliker 4y ago
    Interesting research question: how to build features to make sharing control less chaotic and potentially moderate abuse. But the core experience is great. Works flawlessly even on an iPhone. Congrats!
batch12 4y ago
People seem to be trying really hard to get porn in the browser. There's a battle going on...
- declan_g 4y ago
  Gahh thanks for the heads up

warpech 4y ago

I can browse the Web like I'm in a data center. Speedtest.net shows 776 Mb downloads, 928 Mb uploads. That's way better than the Internet access where I live.

bcjordan 4y ago
Isn't it awesome? That's also a major use case of the Mighty browser/service https://www.mightyapp.com/ https://www.mightyapp.com/

can16358p 4y ago

I have no idea how to use (iPhone, iOS 15.6.1). There is a pink background and a black box saying outside virtual PC, and a few keyboard/mouse shortcuts (which doesn't apply as I'm on mobile)?

me_bx 4y ago
Same here on linux. I'm guessing that other visitors get some content instead of the black box...
- ambyjkl 4y ago
  If you're on linux, you most likely need the H.264 ffmpeg codec package and things like the Cisco OpenH264 plugin for Firefox. Also, try unblocking WebRTC if you block it
  - me_bx 4y ago
    Thanks. I just checked and all of these are installed / enabled. Still, only a black rectangle is shown (also disabled ad blocker). There are a couple of _warning_ messages in the dev console though, which might explain the origin of the issue: > An AudioContext was prevented from starting automatically. It must be created or resumed after a user gesture on the page. > Autoplay is only allowed when approved by the user, the site is activated by the user, or media is muted.

NegativeLatency 4y ago

Didn’t seem to like loading itself :)

parksy 4y ago

The underlying work you guys have done is great as a proof of concept, and after playing with it for a short while there are some obvious flaws and improvements which basically just come down to user experience. As it stands, everyone's inputs clash. The main issue is there's a single mouse pointer and keyboard input that all users control. It's quite chaotic as people scroll, click, select, etc. Provide some mechanism to nominate control authority or vote on interaction and it might be usable.

ambyjkl 4y ago
Thanks for the feedback. We already have this feature, it's just not implemented in this demo currently, but we'll be sure to add it. More info here: https://www.npmjs.com/package/@hyperbeam/web#setting-permissions https://www.npmjs.com/package/@hyperbeam/web#setting-permiss...

Zachsa999 4y ago

Wild! Browsing the code, I love that it's basically one main.js file.

ambyjkl 4y ago
Thanks, we vehemently oppose bloat in our JS files ;)

graderjs 4y ago

There's source code on GitHub for a simple version of this tech (without multiplayer or smooth and fast streaming): https://GitHub.com/crisdosyago/BrowserBox https://GitHub.com/crisdosyago/BrowserBox And a closed source version that has multiplayer, audio and much faster streaming (than the GitHub version) that uses webrtc. I also have a few projects to bring even higher quality streaming, including an xvfb headful version using an extension to enable getDisplayMedia APIs to share the screen. It's a different approach to Hyperbeam. I love that there are more and more new and young products in this space!

philipscott 4y ago
Thanks for sharing, are you viewfinderjs from this thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104#30436865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30433104#30436865 Super curious how you got that many stars on your repository, that's impressive!
- graderjs 4y ago
  Thank you. Yeah my strategy has been: Build. Post. Repeat.

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mupuff1234 4y ago

It's cool and all, but is there an actual use case for the multiplayer aspect? Feels slightly like the infamous "hacking" scene when two people are using the same keyboard.

laserlight 4y ago

After trying to understand for 10 minutes what's supposed to happen, I tried it with Chrome. Doesn't this work with Safari on a Mac?