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Open an arbitration claim. Seriously. The terms you agreed to states claims can be settled with arbitration. Opening a claim will cost a couple hundred dollars
by kokanator 4y ago
Open an arbitration claim. Seriously.
The terms you agreed to states claims can be settled with arbitration. Opening a claim will cost a couple hundred dollars and will move them to action immediately.
Here is a great thread how this worked out for another person on HN.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31567673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31567673
- tehwebguy 4y agoIt sounds scary but it's seriously worth doing & getting the hang of a legal (or legal-ish) process if it's new to you.
- dawnerd 4y agoHad to do this too. Worked out great. Considering doing it again against another company which is a year past providing payment promised.
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- 4364Synapse 4y agoDo you have any alternative suggestions for people who are opposed to legal prosecution, under religious objections? I am an Anabaptist, and we are strongly against legal proceedings outside of extreme circumstance.
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- sdbaptist 4y agoI can understand reading 1 Corinthians 6 as reason to avoid legal disputes between individual Christians, but what Biblical justification is there to avoid suing non‐Christians, especially a secular corporation? Turn the other cheek, sure, but even Paul appealed to Caesar.
- gnuj3 4y agoYou what
- Archelaos 4y agoThere is this religion that douses people with water or immerses them in water as an initiation ritual. This is called "baptism". If you think it is okay to do this more than once when it was first performed by the wrong people, you are an "anabaptist".
- callahad 4y ago> when it was first performed by the wrong people That seems a bit reductive. From my understanding, it's not so much by the wrong people but rather without deliberate, conscious choice. Chiefly, anabaptists reject the notion of infant baptisms because an infant can't meaningfully repent and freely proclaim their belief in Christ. Which, as far as religion goes, seems like a reasonable position.
- isatty 4y agoAren’t there many Protestant denominations (my former church being one of them) that do not do infant baptisms? Baptism is a voluntary process after counseling and an interview with someone at the church. I didn’t know this is what set anabaptists aside.
- Dove 4y agoOutside a few tiny movements, the Anabaptists were the first to object to infant baptism. Infant baptism was universal in the Catholic church, from the fifth century through the sixteenth, and even the Protestant Reformers adopted the practice. The Anabaptists were the Reformation's Reformers, and were named (by both Catholics and Protestants) after their most distinct and objectionable practice, that of insisting on adult baptism. (In fact, "Anabaptist" means re-baptizer -- they were named that in criticism by those who saw universal infant baptism as valid. This alone tells you something of the world they lived in -- a world that saw adult baptism mainly as "re" because infant baptism for everyone could safely be assumed.) A lot of distinctive Anabaptist beliefs have gotten mainstreamed over the centuries, and what they were once best known for is now much more widely practiced. But the name sticks for historical reasons and the group still exists. You can read a summary of beliefs here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleitheim_Confession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleitheim_Confession In the modern mileu, I would say what is most unusual and distinctive about them is pacifism.
- Ancapistani 4y agoI'm not sure if arbitration would be considered a "legal proceeding" - it's a defined process that both parties agreed to upon entering into the agreement in the first place. It's "legally binding", yes... but so is the initial contract.
- 4364Synapse 4y agoHmm, that's a point I hadn't considered. Thank you.
- henryfjordan 4y agoI don't know if this document applies to you but it pretty directly suggests arbitration or mediation as opposed to a full-fledged lawsuit: > 7. In seeking to achieve a settlement, the Christian is committed to going the second mile. The Christian should support various alternatives to litigation such as arbitration and meditation. http://www.anabaptistwiki.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_Use_of_the_Law_(Mennonite_Church,_1981) http://www.anabaptistwiki.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_Use_of... For anyone else reading, the link might explain some of the philosophy.
- kokanator 4y agoI am not familiar with what 'extreme circumstances' would be to a practicing Anabaptist. However, when a corporation as large as PayPal blatantly ignores a significant financial claim from a singular individual rendering the individual helpless, it seems a bit extreme. In this case you can use the system the Corporation set up to suppress your ability to fight back against them.
- endymi0n 4y agoI‘m pretty sure Matthew 5:38 was written before the advent of corporations, much less the completely deregulated capitalism of 2022 corporate America. So if you insist applying 2 millenia old wisdoms to your everyday life, consider adding some Matthew 7:12 as well and sue them if they would have sued you in the same situation.
- 4364Synapse 4y agoIt varies from church to church, but outside of extremes like arson or murder, is probably not something that most would endorse. We do not endorse retaliating against violence, or holding a high value on money. However, it would be nice if there is a means to recoup losses outside of a court system, whether it be through a system like the BBB, or similar.
- csomar 4y ago> holding a high value on money > recoup losses outside of a court system So your religion discourages going to court (because of money, and not of the court itself) and you are trying to find a way around that? Seems like you have to re-evaluate why you are in this faith in the first place.
- googlryas 4y agoHuh? Finding a way around the rules you find inconvenient but still ostensibly want to follow is the heart of religion! See: sabbath elevators
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- robocat 4y agoThat sounds like a religious question - cue joke about fate or acceptance or higher purpose? But thank you - I appreciate learning about parallel social systems. The obvious answer is to either avoid getting in the situation or to suck it up and account for getting ripped off as the price of learning. Vet your choices more carefully, use prepay, avoid systems where you don’t control the direct debiting of your accounts. More generally, ask the question of your social group who will have specific knowledge and strategies that fit in with the rest of your social rules. Asking here seems like you would get poor advice because we don’t have much motivation to have learnt appropriate hacks for your issue, and mostly will have little experience of your issue.
- dragonwriter 4y agoAbitration is a private process that exists expressly as an alternative (though some contracts make it a mandatory alternative) to legal prosecution.
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- MiddleEndian 4y agoPeople who don't want to do paperwork are unfortunately at the mercy of those who do.
- andix 4y ago
- dfbsdfbwe2ef2e 4y agoIs this a US specific thing, or is this kind of advice also valid in the EU? Excuse the ignorance...
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- O__________O 4y agoAside from the filing fees, what financial risks are there? For example, counter claims for damages, including but not limited to, the attorney fees of the opposing party.