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This could mean that information literacy is on the rise.

Victerius 4y ago
Or the opposite (that information literacy is on the decline, and people who are more intelligent and better educated trust the news more, at least from credible sources like the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR, and CNN).
- jwond 4y ago
  I’m not sure there are any news outlets remaining that I would consider credible, at least not consistently. They all have substantial black marks.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    All are the same level? Seems unlikely
  - Kibae 4y ago
    Reuters is credible IMO.
    - HideousKojima 4y ago
      >Reuters is credible IMO. Can't say I agree: Syrian man denied asylum killed in German blast https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-blast-minister-idUKKCN105073 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-blast-minister-id...
    - junofan 4y ago
      DC and NYC coverage (especially of political demonstrations) can get a little dicey but otherwise they seem mostly ok.
- haggy102 4y ago
  CNN is credible? According to whom?
  - djfobbz 4y ago
    Mr. Nobody ;)
  - Victerius 4y ago
    The top headlines on cnn.com at the moment are: "Highland Park gunman's family was in turmoil for years before shooting" <-- neutral "Shinzo Abe's assassination shocks Japan" <-- neutral "Musk tells Twitter he wants out of deal to buy it. Twitter says it will force him to close the sale" <-- neutral "Here's what's in Biden's executive order on abortion rights" <-- neutral "Trump considering waiving executive privilege claim for Bannon but prosecutors say he was never shielded" <-- neutral The top headlines on foxnews.com at the moment are: "Dems reportedly full of 'outright worry' president won't be able to rescue plunging polls by midterms" <-- neutral "Twitter squawks back after Musk reveals he's terminating $44B purchase" <-- neutral "FBI director issues stern warning about biggest long-term threat to US" <-- neutral "Mom gets terrifying call after dropping young daughter off at airport gate" <-- neutral but click-baity "BORDER BATTLE: Biden admin fires back as governor takes spiraling migrant crisis into his own hands" <-- biased (alternative version: Biden admin criticizes Texas governor after executive order) "GAFFER-IN-CHIEF: Biden widely mocked after he appears to read instruction right off teleprompter" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) "'Joe Biden and the Democrats are lying' to the American people: Rep. Malliotakis" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) "School choice advocate slams 'despicable' criticism from unions of Arizona school voucher bill" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) Fox and other conservative sources publish a lot of "conservative personality SLAMS liberal personality"-type articles. Left-wing publications do the opposite of course, but credible sources rarely publish this kind of article unless it's from someone important and about an important subject, and try not to use formulae like "as governor takes SPIRALING migrant crisis INTO HIS OWN HANDS" or "widely mocked".
    - ekianjo 4y ago
      So you just go and pick today's headlines and call it a day?
- ekianjo 4y ago
  All the credible sources you mentioned are not credible at all. That's an interesting choice you did there.
  - he0001 4y ago
    Who are then?
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  > "credible sources" Only for the credulous
- ravenstine 4y ago
  I might have agreed with you on the first 3 many years ago. Even NPR has gotten really bad with the burying of headlines. At this point, the best thing people can do is to just glance at the news when it presents itself and then otherwise move on with their lives. If there's any good to come out of the age of disinformation, it's that maybe people will stop doomscrolling the news.
  - hn_version_0023 4y ago
    I’ve been saying for a long time now: if its actually important it will reach you by word of mouth Now if only I could break the news consumption habit!
  - dv35z 4y ago
    Wikipedia Current Events portal is an alternative to scanning CNN, Fox, BBC, NPR etc. I like that you can tab open links to further research around a topic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
- jakogut 4y ago
  If those are your picks for credible sources, you might be less informed than you believe yourself to be. I don't think they're the _most_ biased, but they're certainly not the _least_ biased.
  - Msw242 4y ago
    The AP calling Abe names right after he was assassinated was stunning to me. AP news wire has traditionally been very neutral, given its wide syndication.
    - MrMan 4y ago
      I saw this on /r/conservative today
      - themitigating 4y ago
        What did they say?
    - mikkergp 4y ago
      They called him names?
      - Msw242 4y ago
        They called him (in the assassination article) a "divisive arch-conservative" then revised it without issuing a correction or retraction. How it comes up in search results: https://twitter.com/jeremyreporter/status/1545451458975322112?t=9EH0zn_TsxqFSlTZsKOcKA&s=19 https://twitter.com/jeremyreporter/status/154545145897532211... How it appears now: https://apnews.com/article/japan-shinzo-abe-shooting-22ec2248d92304deb9cc46b2142402d2 https://apnews.com/article/japan-shinzo-abe-shooting-22ec224...
  - somebehemoth 4y ago
    Please share your list of least biased for comparison. This would be very helpful. Thank you
- Cupertino95014 4y ago
  There are certainly people who think they're intelligent. They like to congratulate each other. Taleb would call them IYI (intellectual yet idiot).
  - bigDinosaur 4y ago
    He calls everyone that unless you do nothing but slavishly agree with him. Speaking about the quality of social media compared to traditional media...
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    >There are certainly people who think they're intelligent. They like to congratulate each other. >Taleb would call them IYI (intellectual yet idiot). Lenin's "useful idiots" term is always apt.
themitigating 4y ago
Why?
caramelcustard 4y ago
If only! The "traditional media" bubble is merely getting augumented with the help of "influencers", sketchy Twitter accounts, state-run networks, fringe outlets, social networks, web celebrities and so on. Just because someone thinks that TV isn't "trustworthy", doesn't mean much and chances are they're getting even lower grade reporting under the guise of it being "non-traditional media" (it must mean something...right??).

Or the opposite (that information literacy is on the decline, and people who are more intelligent and better educated trust the news more, at least from credible sources like the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR, and CNN).

jwond 4y ago
I’m not sure there are any news outlets remaining that I would consider credible, at least not consistently. They all have substantial black marks.
- themitigating 4y ago
  All are the same level? Seems unlikely
- Kibae 4y ago
  Reuters is credible IMO.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    >Reuters is credible IMO. Can't say I agree: Syrian man denied asylum killed in German blast https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-blast-minister-idUKKCN105073 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-blast-minister-id...
  - junofan 4y ago
    DC and NYC coverage (especially of political demonstrations) can get a little dicey but otherwise they seem mostly ok.
haggy102 4y ago
CNN is credible? According to whom?
- djfobbz 4y ago
  Mr. Nobody ;)
- Victerius 4y ago
  The top headlines on cnn.com at the moment are: "Highland Park gunman's family was in turmoil for years before shooting" <-- neutral "Shinzo Abe's assassination shocks Japan" <-- neutral "Musk tells Twitter he wants out of deal to buy it. Twitter says it will force him to close the sale" <-- neutral "Here's what's in Biden's executive order on abortion rights" <-- neutral "Trump considering waiving executive privilege claim for Bannon but prosecutors say he was never shielded" <-- neutral The top headlines on foxnews.com at the moment are: "Dems reportedly full of 'outright worry' president won't be able to rescue plunging polls by midterms" <-- neutral "Twitter squawks back after Musk reveals he's terminating $44B purchase" <-- neutral "FBI director issues stern warning about biggest long-term threat to US" <-- neutral "Mom gets terrifying call after dropping young daughter off at airport gate" <-- neutral but click-baity "BORDER BATTLE: Biden admin fires back as governor takes spiraling migrant crisis into his own hands" <-- biased (alternative version: Biden admin criticizes Texas governor after executive order) "GAFFER-IN-CHIEF: Biden widely mocked after he appears to read instruction right off teleprompter" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) "'Joe Biden and the Democrats are lying' to the American people: Rep. Malliotakis" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) "School choice advocate slams 'despicable' criticism from unions of Arizona school voucher bill" <-- biased (alternative: none, because it's not news worthy) Fox and other conservative sources publish a lot of "conservative personality SLAMS liberal personality"-type articles. Left-wing publications do the opposite of course, but credible sources rarely publish this kind of article unless it's from someone important and about an important subject, and try not to use formulae like "as governor takes SPIRALING migrant crisis INTO HIS OWN HANDS" or "widely mocked".
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    So you just go and pick today's headlines and call it a day?
ekianjo 4y ago
All the credible sources you mentioned are not credible at all. That's an interesting choice you did there.
- he0001 4y ago
  Who are then?
Georgelemental 4y ago
> "credible sources" Only for the credulous
ravenstine 4y ago
I might have agreed with you on the first 3 many years ago. Even NPR has gotten really bad with the burying of headlines. At this point, the best thing people can do is to just glance at the news when it presents itself and then otherwise move on with their lives. If there's any good to come out of the age of disinformation, it's that maybe people will stop doomscrolling the news.
- hn_version_0023 4y ago
  I’ve been saying for a long time now: if its actually important it will reach you by word of mouth Now if only I could break the news consumption habit!
- dv35z 4y ago
  Wikipedia Current Events portal is an alternative to scanning CNN, Fox, BBC, NPR etc. I like that you can tab open links to further research around a topic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
jakogut 4y ago
If those are your picks for credible sources, you might be less informed than you believe yourself to be. I don't think they're the _most_ biased, but they're certainly not the _least_ biased.
- Msw242 4y ago
  The AP calling Abe names right after he was assassinated was stunning to me. AP news wire has traditionally been very neutral, given its wide syndication.
  - MrMan 4y ago
    I saw this on /r/conservative today
    - themitigating 4y ago
      What did they say?
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    They called him names?
    - Msw242 4y ago
      They called him (in the assassination article) a "divisive arch-conservative" then revised it without issuing a correction or retraction. How it comes up in search results: https://twitter.com/jeremyreporter/status/1545451458975322112?t=9EH0zn_TsxqFSlTZsKOcKA&s=19 https://twitter.com/jeremyreporter/status/154545145897532211... How it appears now: https://apnews.com/article/japan-shinzo-abe-shooting-22ec2248d92304deb9cc46b2142402d2 https://apnews.com/article/japan-shinzo-abe-shooting-22ec224...
- somebehemoth 4y ago
  Please share your list of least biased for comparison. This would be very helpful. Thank you
Cupertino95014 4y ago
There are certainly people who think they're intelligent. They like to congratulate each other. Taleb would call them IYI (intellectual yet idiot).
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  He calls everyone that unless you do nothing but slavishly agree with him. Speaking about the quality of social media compared to traditional media...
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >There are certainly people who think they're intelligent. They like to congratulate each other. >Taleb would call them IYI (intellectual yet idiot). Lenin's "useful idiots" term is always apt.

themitigating 4y ago

Why?

caramelcustard 4y ago

If only! The "traditional media" bubble is merely getting augumented with the help of "influencers", sketchy Twitter accounts, state-run networks, fringe outlets, social networks, web celebrities and so on. Just because someone thinks that TV isn't "trustworthy", doesn't mean much and chances are they're getting even lower grade reporting under the guise of it being "non-traditional media" (it must mean something...right??).