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IMO the bicycle was perfected 20+ years ago There is nothing left to be improved, only gimmicks with aggressive marketing Just be happy with the bike you have

IMO the bicycle was perfected 20+ years ago There is nothing left to be improved, only gimmicks with aggressive marketing Just be happy with the bike you have, and ride

jamincan 4y ago
There have been a number of transformational things in the last 5-10 years that are far from gimmicks. Wider tires on road bikes. Disc brakes for cx and mtb. Dropper posts and 1x drive trains on mtb. Cycling is rife with orthodoxy that begs to be challenged.
- Crabber 4y ago
  Disc brakes were available in 1975, wide tires before that. Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick. 1x drivetrains do have some drawbacks, but I consider them overall to be a good improvement to the simplicity of a bike so I will grant you that.
  - charrondev 4y ago
    I just bought a bike with a 1x12 drivetrain and I’m quite enjoying it.
    - deebosong 4y ago
      If I may inquire, as someone curious about 1x's, what do you like about them over 2x or 3x? Did you put the 1x on a road bike, or something or other? I'm not into racing, but I like going hard and fast (relative to my fitness), and find that I don't really care about cadence, but I do like range and minimalism. Makes me think a 1x, even on road, would be great for me, even if I'd keep my 2x's, since they work perfectly fine. Only if/ when the components wear out, maybe I'd do the 1x switcheroo.
      - doubled112 4y ago
        One less derailleur to adjust or have fail, so less maintenance. No worries about chain angle in certain gear combinations. Front chain ring can be cheaper/more durable/flippable because it doesn't need ramps/pins/grooves. I did a 3x8 to 1x8 conversion on a hard tail mountain bike I was commuting on a while back (~8 years ago). There was some messing around with chain line, but over all a simpler setup when I was done. I'd bet it is even simpler to get done now.
        femiagbabiaka 4y ago
        Funny enough cross chaining on 1x tends to be worse if you want to get enough range out of the back (1x12/13). That combined with how thin chains are getting to accommodate the big cassettes makes me feel like the limit of 1x will be reached soon.
        doubled112 4y ago
        That's probably true. I stuck with 8 back then because it's good enough, and the more thin and precise things get, the more expensive yet less tolerant of road salt they seem to become. 2x13 seems like more ratios than I'd ever need, but who am I to say that applies to everybody?
        deebosong 4y ago
        Dang. That's kinda of a big deal... Kinda crazy that people are vouching for 1x if cross-chaining is an issue with that system (as the main pull seemed to be that 1x is fully functional as is, without hiccups). So in your opinion, do you prefer 2x & 3x? And is the cross-chaining issue with 1x enough of an issue to write it off? I'm guessing the cross-chaining can be addressed if you reduce the range in the cassette?
        femiagbabiaka 4y ago
        Yeah! Smaller cassettes can help. The difference in efficiency is quite small from testing Lenard Zinn did. About 8w difference. So I’d say especially for mountain biking it makes a lot of sense. For the road where someone might care about marginal gains it makes no sense IMO but to each their own! As far as 2x vs. 3x, it depends on purpose for me. My rando bike has a triple on it and my faster road bike has a subcompact double. I think if you care about weight savings you can get really good range out of a 2x system. 3x could be more useful for a “do anything” kind of bike.
  - smallbluedot 4y ago
    Dropper posts are one of the most helpful pieces of equipment you can put on a mountain bike. It completely changes how you ride. If I gave you a hardtail with a traditional post, then the same bike with a dropper, your opinion would change in minutes.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      Back in the early-mid 80s, we used to race on MTBs with quick release on the seatpost clamp, and precisely the right lube to make sure the seat would drop on demand. That didn't deal with the "how do get it back up to the regular height", but before the 90s rolled around there were already several spring-based solutions to that. Dropper posts work better, but they are not a new idea.
    - dalyons 4y ago
      Yeah absolutely. Dropper posts are a total game changer, don’t know how you could think they’re gimmicky
    - Lio 4y ago
      The real utility of the dropper post for me is in climbing. On XC courses I would set my post height at some compromise height, like I would on a CX bike. I’d always feel it in my knees on the climbs though when it was just a bit too low. Now it’s perfect for decents and for climbs. Such a useful addition to an MTB. Even being able to adjust the height without the bloody thing twisting from the centre line is a win for me. :)
  - auxym 4y ago
    Yeah, definitely for wider tires. 1.25in (32 mm) and 1.5 in (38 mm) tires were pretty common on the "sport touring" category of 10-speeds from the mid-70s bike boom to the early 90s or something like that. Then marketing decided that everyone, even casual cyclists, should aspire to ride on "racing" road bikes with 23 mm (or even 21 mm) tires, even if the aero and acceleration benefits really didn't make any sense for them. Really happy that wider tires are making a comeback and that the "gravel" category is in many ways a comeback of sport touring.
  - taude 4y ago
    "Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick." that's a pretty bold opinion. Might say more about the types of trails you ride than anything. Sure, you don't need a dropper post for a lot of simple beginner trail riding, start adding fast, technical descents with drops and such....that you also need to climb to, it'd farfrom a gimick. It allows you to have a fun enduro bike that you can climb comfortably in, and then descend like a wild-person on for maximum fun.
  - wolrah 4y ago
    > Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick. I can't possibly see how you make this case. I just got a new bike and the dropper was definitely the part I was the least sure I'd care for, but the benefit was immediately obvious on the first ride. Being able to pop the seat up with the press of a button when I started a long climb was amazing.
  - Too 4y ago
    Not just any disc brakes, hydraulic ones, at a competitive price and weight. They are so much better than the old caliper brakes it’s silly even comparing them. Suspension have received lots of improvements, both features such as lock-out, and also generally in terms of better properties, geometries and availability. Especially when looking at the rear frame. Forks are still mostly just forks :) Finally you also have overall build quality. A mtb from the last decade just feels more rigid and lightweight, you get a sense of confidence the moment you grab the handlebar, whereas 20y ago shifters and handles have that flimsy feeling to it. Warped wheels and flat tires is also much less common problem today.
- smallbluedot 4y ago
  I'd throw tubeless tires for MTB and gravel into that group.
- nradov 4y ago
  Dropper seat posts are even coming to road bikes now. As large, heavy person with a high center of gravity I welcome this trend. Descending Mt. Umunhum on my road bike is a hair-raising experience. https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/dropper-post-road-bike/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/...
ubermonkey 4y ago
At least your username is on point. Should all these new riders also get off your lawn with electronic shifting, GPS computers, and carbon frames?
focusedone 4y ago
You're not wrong. I built up a frame from '89 with random leftovers from more recent bikes and it works. No oddball standards or 'well, you'll have to get an adapter' silliness. It was kindof refreshing to build AND it functions just fine. Somewhere in the 90's - early 00's was peak bike and I think most (but not all) progress after that came from marketing departments. Exceptions: MTB geometry changes (debatable), dropper posts, aero wheels. Not exceptions: internal cable routing, proprietary integrated brakes/handlebars/stems/bottle cages/forks, 1x don't @ me.

IMO the bicycle was perfected 20+ years ago There is nothing left to be improved, only gimmicks with aggressive marketing Just be happy with the bike you have, and ride

jamincan 4y ago

There have been a number of transformational things in the last 5-10 years that are far from gimmicks. Wider tires on road bikes. Disc brakes for cx and mtb. Dropper posts and 1x drive trains on mtb. Cycling is rife with orthodoxy that begs to be challenged.

Crabber 4y ago
Disc brakes were available in 1975, wide tires before that. Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick. 1x drivetrains do have some drawbacks, but I consider them overall to be a good improvement to the simplicity of a bike so I will grant you that.
- charrondev 4y ago
  I just bought a bike with a 1x12 drivetrain and I’m quite enjoying it.
  - deebosong 4y ago
    If I may inquire, as someone curious about 1x's, what do you like about them over 2x or 3x? Did you put the 1x on a road bike, or something or other? I'm not into racing, but I like going hard and fast (relative to my fitness), and find that I don't really care about cadence, but I do like range and minimalism. Makes me think a 1x, even on road, would be great for me, even if I'd keep my 2x's, since they work perfectly fine. Only if/ when the components wear out, maybe I'd do the 1x switcheroo.
    - doubled112 4y ago
      One less derailleur to adjust or have fail, so less maintenance. No worries about chain angle in certain gear combinations. Front chain ring can be cheaper/more durable/flippable because it doesn't need ramps/pins/grooves. I did a 3x8 to 1x8 conversion on a hard tail mountain bike I was commuting on a while back (~8 years ago). There was some messing around with chain line, but over all a simpler setup when I was done. I'd bet it is even simpler to get done now.
      - femiagbabiaka 4y ago
        Funny enough cross chaining on 1x tends to be worse if you want to get enough range out of the back (1x12/13). That combined with how thin chains are getting to accommodate the big cassettes makes me feel like the limit of 1x will be reached soon.
        doubled112 4y ago
        That's probably true. I stuck with 8 back then because it's good enough, and the more thin and precise things get, the more expensive yet less tolerant of road salt they seem to become. 2x13 seems like more ratios than I'd ever need, but who am I to say that applies to everybody?
        deebosong 4y ago
        Dang. That's kinda of a big deal... Kinda crazy that people are vouching for 1x if cross-chaining is an issue with that system (as the main pull seemed to be that 1x is fully functional as is, without hiccups). So in your opinion, do you prefer 2x & 3x? And is the cross-chaining issue with 1x enough of an issue to write it off? I'm guessing the cross-chaining can be addressed if you reduce the range in the cassette?
        femiagbabiaka 4y ago
        Yeah! Smaller cassettes can help. The difference in efficiency is quite small from testing Lenard Zinn did. About 8w difference. So I’d say especially for mountain biking it makes a lot of sense. For the road where someone might care about marginal gains it makes no sense IMO but to each their own! As far as 2x vs. 3x, it depends on purpose for me. My rando bike has a triple on it and my faster road bike has a subcompact double. I think if you care about weight savings you can get really good range out of a 2x system. 3x could be more useful for a “do anything” kind of bike.
- smallbluedot 4y ago
  Dropper posts are one of the most helpful pieces of equipment you can put on a mountain bike. It completely changes how you ride. If I gave you a hardtail with a traditional post, then the same bike with a dropper, your opinion would change in minutes.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    Back in the early-mid 80s, we used to race on MTBs with quick release on the seatpost clamp, and precisely the right lube to make sure the seat would drop on demand. That didn't deal with the "how do get it back up to the regular height", but before the 90s rolled around there were already several spring-based solutions to that. Dropper posts work better, but they are not a new idea.
  - dalyons 4y ago
    Yeah absolutely. Dropper posts are a total game changer, don’t know how you could think they’re gimmicky
  - Lio 4y ago
    The real utility of the dropper post for me is in climbing. On XC courses I would set my post height at some compromise height, like I would on a CX bike. I’d always feel it in my knees on the climbs though when it was just a bit too low. Now it’s perfect for decents and for climbs. Such a useful addition to an MTB. Even being able to adjust the height without the bloody thing twisting from the centre line is a win for me. :)
- auxym 4y ago
  Yeah, definitely for wider tires. 1.25in (32 mm) and 1.5 in (38 mm) tires were pretty common on the "sport touring" category of 10-speeds from the mid-70s bike boom to the early 90s or something like that. Then marketing decided that everyone, even casual cyclists, should aspire to ride on "racing" road bikes with 23 mm (or even 21 mm) tires, even if the aero and acceleration benefits really didn't make any sense for them. Really happy that wider tires are making a comeback and that the "gravel" category is in many ways a comeback of sport touring.
- taude 4y ago
  "Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick." that's a pretty bold opinion. Might say more about the types of trails you ride than anything. Sure, you don't need a dropper post for a lot of simple beginner trail riding, start adding fast, technical descents with drops and such....that you also need to climb to, it'd farfrom a gimick. It allows you to have a fun enduro bike that you can climb comfortably in, and then descend like a wild-person on for maximum fun.
- wolrah 4y ago
  > Dropper posts I consider to be a gimmick. I can't possibly see how you make this case. I just got a new bike and the dropper was definitely the part I was the least sure I'd care for, but the benefit was immediately obvious on the first ride. Being able to pop the seat up with the press of a button when I started a long climb was amazing.
- Too 4y ago
  Not just any disc brakes, hydraulic ones, at a competitive price and weight. They are so much better than the old caliper brakes it’s silly even comparing them. Suspension have received lots of improvements, both features such as lock-out, and also generally in terms of better properties, geometries and availability. Especially when looking at the rear frame. Forks are still mostly just forks :) Finally you also have overall build quality. A mtb from the last decade just feels more rigid and lightweight, you get a sense of confidence the moment you grab the handlebar, whereas 20y ago shifters and handles have that flimsy feeling to it. Warped wheels and flat tires is also much less common problem today.
smallbluedot 4y ago
I'd throw tubeless tires for MTB and gravel into that group.
nradov 4y ago
Dropper seat posts are even coming to road bikes now. As large, heavy person with a high center of gravity I welcome this trend. Descending Mt. Umunhum on my road bike is a hair-raising experience. https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/dropper-post-road-bike/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/...

ubermonkey 4y ago

At least your username is on point. Should all these new riders also get off your lawn with electronic shifting, GPS computers, and carbon frames?

focusedone 4y ago

You're not wrong. I built up a frame from '89 with random leftovers from more recent bikes and it works. No oddball standards or 'well, you'll have to get an adapter' silliness. It was kindof refreshing to build AND it functions just fine. Somewhere in the 90's - early 00's was peak bike and I think most (but not all) progress after that came from marketing departments. Exceptions: MTB geometry changes (debatable), dropper posts, aero wheels. Not exceptions: internal cable routing, proprietary integrated brakes/handlebars/stems/bottle cages/forks, 1x don't @ me.