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In case you're looking for an alternative: consider using Perma.cc links, which both serve as a URL shortener and an archive of the current page. (Plus they're

In case you're looking for an alternative: consider using Perma.cc links, which both serve as a URL shortener and an archive of the current page. (Plus they're expressly intended to last "forever" and are maintained by one of the few organizations with the multi-century history to credibly make that claim (Havard Law School)) https://perma.cc/about https://perma.cc/about

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Strange they'd lean on a country code TLD since those can go sideways for political reasons.
- codesections 4y ago
  That's a good point. For .cc in particular, it's the TLD for an Australian territory and is managed by Verisign so I'd expect the risks to be lower than with some TLDs. Still, though, a lot can happen in "forever" and you're right that it adds an (unnecessary?) risk
  - mwint 4y ago
    - jrochkind1 4y ago
      That's odd, the US usually has Secretaries and Departments instead of Ministers and Ministries. Is it a cabinet level position? I'm having trouble finding it's web page. But I would have used `.net` personally, rather than a country-specific domain.
      - mwint 4y ago
      - bewuethr 4y ago
        It's an allusion to the Ministry of Truth in 1984: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-...
        kevinmgranger 4y ago
        I'm sure the commenter is well aware of that, they're replying to a low-quality, vague comment with a sardonic version of the Socratic method.
      - em3rgent0rdr 4y ago
        I believe they are referring to Department of Homeland Security's new Disinformation board: https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/dhs-standing-up-disinformation-governance-board-led-by-information-warfare-expert/ https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/dhs-standing-up-dis...
  - cortesoft 4y ago
    It doesn't matter who is 'managing' it, since the owner can choose to give that management to someone else.
- Inhibit 4y ago
  True. I imagine Harvard has the necessary staff on hand to run a TLD themselves. Might make a good use for it.
- jthrowsitaway 4y ago
  .io is one such domain (Indian Ocean) and I won't use that domain for anything serious because of that.
mgdlbp 4y ago
They stopped giving out the monthly allowance of 10 links to free accounts in 2019.[1] New accounts now can archive 10 links, and that's it. You might have access through a registered institution (e.g., libraries and universities get it for free). Otherwise, the rates for individuals are hidden on their blog.[2] If you really want to archive and shorten a link at once, https://archive.today https://archive.today (often seen on HN for bypassing paywalls) is another option, but its unknown ownership makes its long-term existence slightly questionable. For general web archival, the Internet Archive (https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org) looks like it'll be around for a little longer. But since its crawler and server have their own quirks, I'd still submit links to multiple services for good measure. [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2019/01/07/introducing-individual-account-subscription-tiers-for-perma/ https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2019/01/07/introducing-indiv... [2] https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2021/09/15/usage-plans-updates/ https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2021/09/15/usage-plans-updat... ----- Speaking of web archive reliability, it looks like WebCite might have recently died for good, after a decade of funding issues and intermittent downtime[3][4]—the first major web archive to fall? [3] https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WebCite https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WebCite [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWebCite#2021-10-27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWebCite#2021-10-27
alimov 4y ago
I’ve never heard of perma.cc before, but had a similar idea (likely more naive than however they are doing it) to save the content of a given url as an image and apply OCR, and keep both the image and the text saved. Got that working (somewhat well) and then dropped the project heh.
unethical_ban 4y ago
I would love to know if the source code or an alternative to perma.cc is - otherwise, I want to build it myself! edit: https://github.com/harvard-lil/perma https://github.com/harvard-lil/perma

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Strange they'd lean on a country code TLD since those can go sideways for political reasons.

codesections 4y ago
That's a good point. For .cc in particular, it's the TLD for an Australian territory and is managed by Verisign so I'd expect the risks to be lower than with some TLDs. Still, though, a lot can happen in "forever" and you're right that it adds an (unnecessary?) risk
- mwint 4y ago
  - jrochkind1 4y ago
    That's odd, the US usually has Secretaries and Departments instead of Ministers and Ministries. Is it a cabinet level position? I'm having trouble finding it's web page. But I would have used `.net` personally, rather than a country-specific domain.
    - mwint 4y ago
    - bewuethr 4y ago
      It's an allusion to the Ministry of Truth in 1984: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-...
      - kevinmgranger 4y ago
        I'm sure the commenter is well aware of that, they're replying to a low-quality, vague comment with a sardonic version of the Socratic method.
    - em3rgent0rdr 4y ago
      I believe they are referring to Department of Homeland Security's new Disinformation board: https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/dhs-standing-up-disinformation-governance-board-led-by-information-warfare-expert/ https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/dhs-standing-up-dis...
- cortesoft 4y ago
  It doesn't matter who is 'managing' it, since the owner can choose to give that management to someone else.
Inhibit 4y ago
True. I imagine Harvard has the necessary staff on hand to run a TLD themselves. Might make a good use for it.
jthrowsitaway 4y ago
.io is one such domain (Indian Ocean) and I won't use that domain for anything serious because of that.

mgdlbp 4y ago

They stopped giving out the monthly allowance of 10 links to free accounts in 2019.[1] New accounts now can archive 10 links, and that's it. You might have access through a registered institution (e.g., libraries and universities get it for free). Otherwise, the rates for individuals are hidden on their blog.[2] If you really want to archive and shorten a link at once, https://archive.today https://archive.today (often seen on HN for bypassing paywalls) is another option, but its unknown ownership makes its long-term existence slightly questionable. For general web archival, the Internet Archive (https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org) looks like it'll be around for a little longer. But since its crawler and server have their own quirks, I'd still submit links to multiple services for good measure. [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2019/01/07/introducing-individual-account-subscription-tiers-for-perma/ https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2019/01/07/introducing-indiv... [2] https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2021/09/15/usage-plans-updates/ https://blogs.harvard.edu/perma/2021/09/15/usage-plans-updat... ----- Speaking of web archive reliability, it looks like WebCite might have recently died for good, after a decade of funding issues and intermittent downtime[3][4]—the first major web archive to fall? [3] https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WebCite https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/WebCite [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWebCite#2021-10-27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AWebCite#2021-10-27

alimov 4y ago

I’ve never heard of perma.cc before, but had a similar idea (likely more naive than however they are doing it) to save the content of a given url as an image and apply OCR, and keep both the image and the text saved. Got that working (somewhat well) and then dropped the project heh.

unethical_ban 4y ago

I would love to know if the source code or an alternative to perma.cc is - otherwise, I want to build it myself! edit: https://github.com/harvard-lil/perma https://github.com/harvard-lil/perma