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For those who have the ability to do so, please make an Archive of all the Vanced Versions before the download links are taken down https://mirror.codebucket.d

by CPAhem 5y ago

For those who have the ability to do so, please make an Archive of all the Vanced Versions before the download links are taken down https://mirror.codebucket.de/vanced/ https://mirror.codebucket.de/vanced/

metadat 5y ago
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?
  - metadat 5y ago
    They have plenty of resources, no need to be greedy to survive. In fact, I predict it is precisely the greed that will be Big-G's downfall. Rule #1 is: Don't alienate your power users. They are in the exploitation phase of civ. What phase comes next? Pretty sure it's the final phase..
    - oh_sigh 5y ago
      Is that rule #1, as stated by power users? I've never heard of it before. And having plenty of resources doesn't mean it's wise to squander them, or give them away for free.
    - mattgreenrocks 5y ago
      I wish that rule was true, but the core users are always the first ones to be eaten. Without fail.
  - sreevisakh 5y ago
    The difference is in the bait and switch tactic they employ. They started by offering the service for free and without ads till there were no good competitors. And then they switched to showing obscene amount of ads. Most users and a good bunch of creators are unhappy about the way they ruin the viewing experience. If YouTube declared their true intentions at the beginning, we wouldn't be yearning for competent alternatives today. Greed is definitely the word.
    - Zak 5y ago
      I dislike ads as much as anyone, and I use adblockers aggressively. If I can't use something without regularly seeing ads, I usually stop using it. With all of that said, Youtube operated at a loss for a long time, which is impossible for anyone but a government or a charity to sustain indefinitely. According to this article, Youtube was not profitable in 2015, nine years after Google bought it: https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967 https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-f... I don't think "greed" makes sense as an insult directed at a for-profit corporation. It is by nature a machine to maximize shareholder value; it is nearly as amoral as its recommendation algorithm that tries to maximize watch time. Of course, letting machines run amok is dangerous and antitrust laws used to keep them in check, but not so much anymore.
      - deleted 5y ago
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    - jsnell 5y ago
      YouTube has been running ads from the start and specifically video ads for 15 years. They've been paying creators via revenue share of those ads for 14 years. Something like 95% of the growth of that site has happened after the switch to video ads. The argument that it was a bait and switch seems pretty hard to justify.
      - xmprt 5y ago
        This is a bit disingenuous because the ads from 15 years ago are very different from the ads today. Additionally, YouTube didn't even have ads (of any form) for the first few years and once they did roll them out, it was only given to specific creators who applied to be YouTube partners or people who were part of a network like Machinima or Maker Studio. Today, there are pre-rolls, post-rolls, unskippables, multiple ads in a single ad segment, mid-rolls, etc. That's significantly more than the ads from years ago. Also, ads often supports copyright claimants instead of the actual content creators.
- galangalalgol 5y ago
  I always watch YT in firefox with ublock origin on, it seems to work 100%. It seems like pi-hole would work well too, but my router insists on providing a backup dns server when my pihole fails to find something... Need to go get a new one, preferably meshable.
  - Starmina 5y ago
    No, google bypass pi-hole since years by using the same dns for the content and the ads.
  - hunter2_ 5y ago
    There are a few ways to get your client devices to use the pihole: - configure each client device accordingly (very inconvenient, but mentioning it for completeness) - configure your router's DHCP service to tell clients that the DNS server is [IP address of pihole] instead of [IP address of router] - configure your router's upstream DNS to be [IP address of pihole] instead of [what your modem offers] and leave the DHCP service alone (clients use the router as the DNS server) I suspect you're using the third way, based on the issue you're having. Try the second way instead, so the router isn't even processing client lookups. (Maybe not all routers offer this. I use pfsense which does.) Anyway, my pihole doesn't block YouTube ads... Can I remedy that?
    - entropie 5y ago
      Many (including google) devices use hardcoded DNS settings. You also need firewall rules to prvent them from using 8.8.8.8 and friends.
      - hunter2_ 5y ago
        Ah, good point. With those firewall rules in place, do such devices seamlessly fall back to whatever they DNS they learned from DHCP?
        netr0ute 5y ago
- girvo 5y ago
  Tbh I just pay for YT premium. I hate ads that much and always said I’d pay to avoid them. Money where my mouth is.
  - getcrunk 5y ago
    I also pay for premium, but vanced is how I block shorts and sponsor block
    - geerlingguy 5y ago
      Honestly YouTube should have a way to disable shorts in app. They're trying to pull an Instagram and stomp on TikTok's grounds, but it doesn't feel like it's working and it feels like how Instagram went from being a simple photo sharing tool to being a bloated mess with four major interfaces in one.
      - LordDragonfang 5y ago
        You say you don't feel like it's working, but that might just be because you're no longer part of the new generation and have a different expectation of what "video content" is. Like it or not, the Tiktok format is very popular, and while a large part of it is the recommendation algo, Google isn't exactly a slouch in that area. I have it on good authority that Shorts is both experiencing steady growth and is the fastest-growing segment within Youtube-the-company.
        getcrunk 5y ago
        Oh it's working, but it's objectively worse for your mental health. (Addiction, dopamine overload)
        xmprt 5y ago
        I feel like it's objectively not working and this is coming from someone who's spent a good amount of time on both TikTok and YouTube Shorts. TikTok has an actual community of original content creators and people trying to remix content that other's have made using sounds, duets, and stitches. YouTube is mostly reposted TikTok content (which loses context due to the lack of sounds, duets, etc.) and clip aggregators who just repost clips from popular memes/viral videos/TV shows. They aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of quality.
- quantum_magpie 5y ago
  >- I feel like I'm forgetting another one or two other ralphy shits they've taken on us so far in 2022. Force people to give up phone number if they want to use gmail over IMAP
  - rvbissell 5y ago
    I hadn't heard this. I assume in this context, "give up" = disclose?
    - quantum_magpie 5y ago
      Yes
  - opan 5y ago
    Ah, yes. TOTP can't be primary 2fa and isn't even a choice unless you add sms 2fa. You can remove the sms method after, but still very sketchy and unfortunate.
- krnlpnc 5y ago
  - Force their staff back into offices for no good reason
- charcircuit 5y ago
  You just install the vanced apk like any other apk. The manager app isn't really needed and since there will be no more updates it would be kind of useless.
- mynameismon 5y ago
  Also previously in 2021: adding Google Docs/Slides/Sheets and Google Photos to the storage limit of 15GB.
sodality2 5y ago
504'ing :(
rakoo 5y ago
Vanced was proprietary, it's too bad for users but I won't shed a tear for its developers and would actually advise against doing anything that keeps it living. The very fact that there is a need to get apk archives before the links die is an artifact of being proprietary and would not have been an issue with Libre Software. The only way that makes sense for all of us as a democratic society is to keep control, and this can only be achieved through Libre Software. The real move right now is not to keep existing Vanced content on life support, but to use Newpipe. If it doesn't support the right features, fork it. Enhance it. Use it as the Common it is
- sreevisakh 5y ago
  What is the reason for the cease and desist? Code license or use of content? If it's the latter, then NewPipe won't survive either. We really need an alternative to YouTube, not another frontend to this exploitative platform.
  - EMIRELADERO 5y ago
    Vanced didn't publish the letter, but I'd argue it was a code copyright issue. They applied patches to the original YouTube APK and then distributed it. If they had only distributed the patch diffs themselves and a tool to patch the user-provided YouTube app file, this wouldn't have happened.
    - chii 5y ago
      The diff patches would be considered derivative, since you cannot make it without knowing the original.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
        IANAL, but this I don't think so; AIUI, the combined work is derivative, but patches are independent (at least where copyright is concerned).
      - rvbissell 5y ago
j1elo 5y ago
Is there a way to transform all those split packages into a single, simple to install .apk? (with a preselected architecture, and english lang) If Vanced will keep working as-is for maybe a year or two, that's at least nice, I just would like to keep a copy of the latest version for reinstalling when my tablet is formatted in the next days...
- denysvitali 5y ago
  Why don't you use Split APK Installer (SAI) instead?

by CPAhem 5y ago

metadat 5y ago

oh_sigh 5y ago
How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?
- metadat 5y ago
  They have plenty of resources, no need to be greedy to survive. In fact, I predict it is precisely the greed that will be Big-G's downfall. Rule #1 is: Don't alienate your power users. They are in the exploitation phase of civ. What phase comes next? Pretty sure it's the final phase..
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    Is that rule #1, as stated by power users? I've never heard of it before. And having plenty of resources doesn't mean it's wise to squander them, or give them away for free.
  - mattgreenrocks 5y ago
    I wish that rule was true, but the core users are always the first ones to be eaten. Without fail.
- sreevisakh 5y ago
  The difference is in the bait and switch tactic they employ. They started by offering the service for free and without ads till there were no good competitors. And then they switched to showing obscene amount of ads. Most users and a good bunch of creators are unhappy about the way they ruin the viewing experience. If YouTube declared their true intentions at the beginning, we wouldn't be yearning for competent alternatives today. Greed is definitely the word.
  - Zak 5y ago
    I dislike ads as much as anyone, and I use adblockers aggressively. If I can't use something without regularly seeing ads, I usually stop using it. With all of that said, Youtube operated at a loss for a long time, which is impossible for anyone but a government or a charity to sustain indefinitely. According to this article, Youtube was not profitable in 2015, nine years after Google bought it: https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtube-1424897967 https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-f... I don't think "greed" makes sense as an insult directed at a for-profit corporation. It is by nature a machine to maximize shareholder value; it is nearly as amoral as its recommendation algorithm that tries to maximize watch time. Of course, letting machines run amok is dangerous and antitrust laws used to keep them in check, but not so much anymore.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - jsnell 5y ago
    YouTube has been running ads from the start and specifically video ads for 15 years. They've been paying creators via revenue share of those ads for 14 years. Something like 95% of the growth of that site has happened after the switch to video ads. The argument that it was a bait and switch seems pretty hard to justify.
    - xmprt 5y ago
      This is a bit disingenuous because the ads from 15 years ago are very different from the ads today. Additionally, YouTube didn't even have ads (of any form) for the first few years and once they did roll them out, it was only given to specific creators who applied to be YouTube partners or people who were part of a network like Machinima or Maker Studio. Today, there are pre-rolls, post-rolls, unskippables, multiple ads in a single ad segment, mid-rolls, etc. That's significantly more than the ads from years ago. Also, ads often supports copyright claimants instead of the actual content creators.
galangalalgol 5y ago
I always watch YT in firefox with ublock origin on, it seems to work 100%. It seems like pi-hole would work well too, but my router insists on providing a backup dns server when my pihole fails to find something... Need to go get a new one, preferably meshable.
- Starmina 5y ago
  No, google bypass pi-hole since years by using the same dns for the content and the ads.
- hunter2_ 5y ago
  There are a few ways to get your client devices to use the pihole: - configure each client device accordingly (very inconvenient, but mentioning it for completeness) - configure your router's DHCP service to tell clients that the DNS server is [IP address of pihole] instead of [IP address of router] - configure your router's upstream DNS to be [IP address of pihole] instead of [what your modem offers] and leave the DHCP service alone (clients use the router as the DNS server) I suspect you're using the third way, based on the issue you're having. Try the second way instead, so the router isn't even processing client lookups. (Maybe not all routers offer this. I use pfsense which does.) Anyway, my pihole doesn't block YouTube ads... Can I remedy that?
  - entropie 5y ago
    Many (including google) devices use hardcoded DNS settings. You also need firewall rules to prvent them from using 8.8.8.8 and friends.
    - hunter2_ 5y ago
      Ah, good point. With those firewall rules in place, do such devices seamlessly fall back to whatever they DNS they learned from DHCP?
      - netr0ute 5y ago
girvo 5y ago
Tbh I just pay for YT premium. I hate ads that much and always said I’d pay to avoid them. Money where my mouth is.
- getcrunk 5y ago
  I also pay for premium, but vanced is how I block shorts and sponsor block
  - geerlingguy 5y ago
    Honestly YouTube should have a way to disable shorts in app. They're trying to pull an Instagram and stomp on TikTok's grounds, but it doesn't feel like it's working and it feels like how Instagram went from being a simple photo sharing tool to being a bloated mess with four major interfaces in one.
    - LordDragonfang 5y ago
      You say you don't feel like it's working, but that might just be because you're no longer part of the new generation and have a different expectation of what "video content" is. Like it or not, the Tiktok format is very popular, and while a large part of it is the recommendation algo, Google isn't exactly a slouch in that area. I have it on good authority that Shorts is both experiencing steady growth and is the fastest-growing segment within Youtube-the-company.
      - getcrunk 5y ago
        Oh it's working, but it's objectively worse for your mental health. (Addiction, dopamine overload)
      - xmprt 5y ago
        I feel like it's objectively not working and this is coming from someone who's spent a good amount of time on both TikTok and YouTube Shorts. TikTok has an actual community of original content creators and people trying to remix content that other's have made using sounds, duets, and stitches. YouTube is mostly reposted TikTok content (which loses context due to the lack of sounds, duets, etc.) and clip aggregators who just repost clips from popular memes/viral videos/TV shows. They aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of quality.
quantum_magpie 5y ago
>- I feel like I'm forgetting another one or two other ralphy shits they've taken on us so far in 2022. Force people to give up phone number if they want to use gmail over IMAP
- rvbissell 5y ago
  I hadn't heard this. I assume in this context, "give up" = disclose?
  - quantum_magpie 5y ago
    Yes
- opan 5y ago
  Ah, yes. TOTP can't be primary 2fa and isn't even a choice unless you add sms 2fa. You can remove the sms method after, but still very sketchy and unfortunate.
krnlpnc 5y ago
- Force their staff back into offices for no good reason
charcircuit 5y ago
You just install the vanced apk like any other apk. The manager app isn't really needed and since there will be no more updates it would be kind of useless.
mynameismon 5y ago
Also previously in 2021: adding Google Docs/Slides/Sheets and Google Photos to the storage limit of 15GB.

sodality2 5y ago

504'ing :(

rakoo 5y ago

Vanced was proprietary, it's too bad for users but I won't shed a tear for its developers and would actually advise against doing anything that keeps it living. The very fact that there is a need to get apk archives before the links die is an artifact of being proprietary and would not have been an issue with Libre Software. The only way that makes sense for all of us as a democratic society is to keep control, and this can only be achieved through Libre Software. The real move right now is not to keep existing Vanced content on life support, but to use Newpipe. If it doesn't support the right features, fork it. Enhance it. Use it as the Common it is

sreevisakh 5y ago
What is the reason for the cease and desist? Code license or use of content? If it's the latter, then NewPipe won't survive either. We really need an alternative to YouTube, not another frontend to this exploitative platform.
- EMIRELADERO 5y ago
  Vanced didn't publish the letter, but I'd argue it was a code copyright issue. They applied patches to the original YouTube APK and then distributed it. If they had only distributed the patch diffs themselves and a tool to patch the user-provided YouTube app file, this wouldn't have happened.
  - chii 5y ago
    The diff patches would be considered derivative, since you cannot make it without knowing the original.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
      IANAL, but this I don't think so; AIUI, the combined work is derivative, but patches are independent (at least where copyright is concerned).
    - rvbissell 5y ago

j1elo 5y ago

Is there a way to transform all those split packages into a single, simple to install .apk? (with a preselected architecture, and english lang) If Vanced will keep working as-is for maybe a year or two, that's at least nice, I just would like to keep a copy of the latest version for reinstalling when my tablet is formatted in the next days...

denysvitali 5y ago
Why don't you use Split APK Installer (SAI) instead?