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I do feel sorry for her in a way. She was riding a treadmill of expectations. Started off slowly, probably thinking "yeah, we can do this" and by the time the t
by bb101 5y ago
I do feel sorry for her in a way. She was riding a treadmill of expectations. Started off slowly, probably thinking "yeah, we can do this" and by the time the treadmill was moving at light speed, it was too late to get off.
Even TED has removed her talk from YouTube. What responsibility do the media bear when their shallow hype turns out to be false and damaging to all parties?
- some_random 5y agoNah you shouldn't feel bad for her, if you read into it she was constantly lying from the very beginning. As for media responsibility, I don't know how responsible they really are here for the actual fraud. While Holmes sent their stories of her to investors, she also had fake documents and other lies that made the bulk of her pitch (ie the military work).
- astura 5y agoPlease actually read the case files and evidence presented by the state, your characterization of her is incorrect. The jury's verdict confirms that.
- autokad 5y agoI think its wrong they removed her talk. It should be there, mistakes should be shown too.
- light_hue_1 5y ago> She was riding a treadmill of expectations. Started off slowly, probably thinking "yeah, we can do this" and by the time the treadmill was moving at light speed, it was too late to get off. She absolutely was not. It was completely obvious to anyone with any knowledge of the subject that what she was doing was fraudulent.
- denton-scratch 5y agoI have no knowledge of the subject. I do, however, have a strong allergic reaction to motivational speeches from wide-eyed people with enormous grins. Well, from anyone; but the wide eyes and the permanent grin (and the embarrassing grooving-along to MC Hammer) would have driven me away from that firm in an instant. I'm amazed that anyone fell for her.
- AlbertCory 5y ago> riding a treadmill of expectations ... which she started up herself. Read about the Stanford prof who saw through her before she even started the Theranos journey.
- Wistar 5y agoStanford Prof. Phyllis Gardner Mercury News: "She saw through Elizabeth Holmes. Now Stanford professor is star in Theranos saga." https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-elizabeth-holmes-now-stanford-professor-is-star-in-theranos-saga/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/03/she-saw-through-eliza...
- id02009 5y agoIIUC she'd fire anyone who'd challenge the hype or raise issues in the company. Not sure why you'd feel bad for her.
- troyvit 5y agoI feel bad for her too. She messed up, and probably did it intentionally too. That's messed up, but how much physical harm did people suffer? 60 years of prison time's worth? Near as I can tell a bunch of investors lost some money. Are they on the street now, begging for dinner? Kinda doubt it. Maybe there's a more fitting punishment.
- fredophile 5y agoWhen I read this comment, the comment directly above it talked about people receiving incorrect test results and included links to relevant articles. I think its safe to say that some of Theranos' users did suffer non-financial harm.
- exdsq 5y agoHer lawyers pressure resulted in Ian Gibbons suicide [0], they provided false medical results that could have missed crucial health results, the provided false medical results that could have caused high levels of stress and worry, etc... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Gibbons_(biochemist)
- troyvit 5y agoThat would be a separate case I would think, and not one that Gibbons' relatives would be likely to win.
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- vkou 5y agoIt's pretty fitting, given how large the reward for pulling the fraud off was. There are, of course, a lot of people walking free who have done far worse things. (The Sacklers, for instance, should all be subject to a combination of prison and utter financial ruin. If the world were just, most of them should be living on the street, right now. Instead, they are making quaint arguments about how a third of their drug wealth is fair recompense, and how their plundered offshore billions should be protected from bankruptcy.)
- WalterBright 5y agoHer story arc is much like Bernie Madoff's. He, too, only really hurt wealthy investors. But did anyone feel bad for him?
- roelschroeven 5y agoOnly hurt wealthy investors? What about people who received incorrect testing results, like the woman who was given a false-positive HIV result and the woman who was incorrectly told that she was miscarrying? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/theranos-results-predicted-miscarriage-in-woman-who-would-later-give-birth/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/theranos-results... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/11/theranos-gave-woman-false-positive-hiv-result-then-ghosted-her/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/11/theranos-gave-wo...
- WalterBright 5y agoThey certainly got a scare, but it's hard to see that they were harmed. Generally, when one gets a scary result from a test, another test is done to confirm.
- CheezeIt 5y agoThe false negatives would have been a better example.
- WalterBright 5y agoTrue. But when I've gotten negative test results, I'm well aware that they aren't a guarantee of anything.
- MomoXenosaga 5y agoI felt bad for his family.
- 908B64B197 5y ago> Even TED has removed her talk from YouTube. Why? I would add a disclaimer that they don't endorse it and maybe a link to the ruling but at this point it's an historical document.
- fullshark 5y agoThey care more about their brand than preserving history.