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So…in case you plan to not pay for it but still keep it anyway? I am really struggling to understand the mindset here of what I assume are mostly well paid pro

So…in case you plan to not pay for it but still keep it anyway? I am really struggling to understand the mindset here of what I assume are mostly well paid professional software developers. If I defaulted on a car loan (I don’t know the details exactly off the top of my head, but this entails more than just missing a payment) I’d be quite ashamed of myself and return the car myself with an apology. I cannot understand the mindset of someone who would feel justified keeping the car, much less getting angry at the method used by the bank to reclaim their property. It’s not like this is a cheap car either where you’re threatening someone’s livelihood who is not going to be able to get to work.

themitigating 5y ago
Because on hackernews if the story features Facebook, Google, Microsoft, or Tesla what they did is bad
foxfluff 5y ago
> I cannot understand the mindset of someone who would feel justified keeping the car No-one said anything about feeling justified keeping the car. People take issue with the backdoor. I too, would rather clean the car, take my stuff, and return it with an apology (if the bank refuses to negotiate an extension to the loan) than find that a backdoor has been used against me and it's just all gone one day.
selfhoster11 5y ago
That's not the point. The car has a capability to lock you out, and all it takes is for someone to activate that capability. I don't want that in a car.
- ezfe 5y ago
  Spoiler Alert: this applies to most new cars
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    Does it?
    - maxdo 5y ago
      Yep, literally any luxury car on the market has this ability.
      - hungryforcodes 5y ago
        Is there a way to get a car without it?
sschueller 5y ago
It has happened that cars and even homes have been "repoed" as a result due to a mistake by a bank.
- deleted 5y ago
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- gruez 5y ago
  > It has happened that cars and even homes have been "repoed" as a result due to a mistake by a bank. So the obvious conclusion is to... eliminate the "repo" mechanism entirely, on the off chance it might get abused/mistakenly used?
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LightG 5y ago
I appreciate I left little to assist your conclusion, but that isn't it at all. This isn't the the path I want us going down. If this applies / impacts a few thousand Tesla 'owners' so enamoured by the that cultish brand that they'll accept this BS, so be it. But apply variations of this to the world, and the countless mistakes and mishaps that can happen and you're in further down into a nasty world of things happening. I mean, look at getting something fixed with Google or a Facebook. Those bastions of the tech world. It has absolutely nothing to do with the money aspect of this. Case in point: literally this happened yesterday. I set up a D/D with one of our internet providers 3 months ago. They have been chasing me for 3 months for payments. New supplier so their email went to spam. I have evidence I did all the right things to do this. And yet, yesterday, I checked my spam luckily and there was a 7 day suspension notice if the bill wasn't paid. So, basically, our business internet connections relied on me being lucky that I caught a stray e-mail ... apply this to your car ... or your home (where there have been stories of this kind of BS, only for the owner come home and realise their home had been sold on and they can't get it back). Basically, automation is great, but don't automate interaction with your customers on key situatons.

themitigating 5y ago

Because on hackernews if the story features Facebook, Google, Microsoft, or Tesla what they did is bad

foxfluff 5y ago

> I cannot understand the mindset of someone who would feel justified keeping the car No-one said anything about feeling justified keeping the car. People take issue with the backdoor. I too, would rather clean the car, take my stuff, and return it with an apology (if the bank refuses to negotiate an extension to the loan) than find that a backdoor has been used against me and it's just all gone one day.

selfhoster11 5y ago

That's not the point. The car has a capability to lock you out, and all it takes is for someone to activate that capability. I don't want that in a car.

ezfe 5y ago
Spoiler Alert: this applies to most new cars
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  Does it?
  - maxdo 5y ago
    Yep, literally any luxury car on the market has this ability.
    - hungryforcodes 5y ago
      Is there a way to get a car without it?

sschueller 5y ago

It has happened that cars and even homes have been "repoed" as a result due to a mistake by a bank.

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gruez 5y ago
> It has happened that cars and even homes have been "repoed" as a result due to a mistake by a bank. So the obvious conclusion is to... eliminate the "repo" mechanism entirely, on the off chance it might get abused/mistakenly used?

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LightG 5y ago

I appreciate I left little to assist your conclusion, but that isn't it at all. This isn't the the path I want us going down. If this applies / impacts a few thousand Tesla 'owners' so enamoured by the that cultish brand that they'll accept this BS, so be it. But apply variations of this to the world, and the countless mistakes and mishaps that can happen and you're in further down into a nasty world of things happening. I mean, look at getting something fixed with Google or a Facebook. Those bastions of the tech world. It has absolutely nothing to do with the money aspect of this. Case in point: literally this happened yesterday. I set up a D/D with one of our internet providers 3 months ago. They have been chasing me for 3 months for payments. New supplier so their email went to spam. I have evidence I did all the right things to do this. And yet, yesterday, I checked my spam luckily and there was a 7 day suspension notice if the bill wasn't paid. So, basically, our business internet connections relied on me being lucky that I caught a stray e-mail ... apply this to your car ... or your home (where there have been stories of this kind of BS, only for the owner come home and realise their home had been sold on and they can't get it back). Basically, automation is great, but don't automate interaction with your customers on key situatons.