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> the people who are forced to take the vaccination without their consent and in violation of their conscience. Your imagination got the better of you here - n
by Pyramus 5y ago
> the people who are forced to take the vaccination without their consent and in violation of their conscience.
Your imagination got the better of you here - nobody will be forced to vaccinate, especially not without their consent. Similar to how nobody comes to your car and forces you to wear a seatbelt.
Germany's constitution is quite clear about this, for apparent, historic reasons.
- baggy_trough 5y agoYou won't be physically forced to, but you also won't be allowed to do most of the things we normally consider that people have a right to do unless you comply. That's really a non physical way of forcing compliance (like saying I'll fire you from your job unless you agree).
- daylp 5y agoSo it will be "voluntary" by imposing successively higher fines until you cannot pay. Then your credit score will be ruined, you can't pay rent and join the homeless. Completely voluntary, just like compulsory state television fees. Incidentally, both state radio fees and mandatory vaccination were immensely popular in the Third Reich.
- Xylakant 5y agoThat’s an odd statement there. The mandatory vaccination against smallpox stems from the Kaiserreich (1874) and was loosened at the time of the Third Reich, to be reestablished after the 2nd world war, until it started phasing out in 1975. The state radio fees are a construct that was established after the Second World War, precisely because it was considered imperative to have a public radio/television that was not under government control.
- fartattack 5y agoThe article says that Germany is planning to make the shot compulsory, literally this article that these comments are ostensibly discussing, in the second paragraph, so I'm not sure where you got the idea nobody is going to be forced to get vaccinated, but the gaslighting isn't appreciated
- Xylakant 5y agoYou won’t be forcefully vaccinated. But you can be fined for not taking the vaccine and you can be restricted in what jobs you work in. That’s how it works with the current limited vaccine mandate for measles.
- stormking 5y agoAnd how is that not forcing?
- drran 5y agoBecause this is not forcing?
- baggy_trough 5y agoWhen someone is "forced into early retirement" do you think that means that police dragged him away?
- drran 5y agoYep, police or a guard can drag him away if he will show at work. He cannot pay a $100 fine or take a shot and continue to work like before. :-/
- baggy_trough 5y agoI don’t think you are aware of the definition of “to force”. It does not refer only to physical force.
- lp0_on_fire 5y agoI'm going to stand in front of you and not let you into your home until you give me $100. I'm not _forcing_ you give me $100, not at all. It's just that if you _choose_ not to give me $100 I will continue to stand in your way and prevent you front getting inside.
- ajsnigrutin 5y agoSo, how is paying a fine (as in eg. greece) not a form of "force"? In one way, if you're rich, you can pay for your right not to wear a seatbelt.. i mean, get the vaccine, but for normal people, the current measures are basically them being forced to do something that they don't want to do.