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People get what they vote for

mint2 5y ago
no one voted for the police to boycott their own jobs. Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for.
- phendrenad2 5y ago
  No, but maybe they went to city meetings to protest new prison construction in their area, so the government now needs to find ways to keep the number of people in jail low.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Alright there seems to be a major disconnect here. How does stopping a burglary become impossible if there aren't enough prisons (NOT jails, the two are different). It seems like a total non-sequitur to me.
    - phendrenad2 5y ago
      Police don't really stop crime, they investigate after the fact. Stopping comes as a side-effect of the government prosecuting criminals and making it not worth it to repeat offend.
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- abernard1 5y ago
  > Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for. But it is. I spent all of 2020 listening to daily edicts on this subject from privileged HR winos in my SF company, while they endorsed riots, and publicly supported criminal trials where it turns out that nope, the criminal was actually the bad guy. Radical chic is temporarily fashionable. It helps make the laptop class feel "they're all in this together" while they're getting care packages of aromatic candles and weekly Calm sessions. But then it's in your backyard and its a problem. Getting rid of Chesa Boudin will not fix this problem, because SF policy is "we don't want this", but if you ask what they do want, it's the same stuff they've been pushing for decades.
  - mint2 5y ago
    I find it highly dubious that any HR endorsed riots, I have never heard of an HR department or really anyone endorse violence. At most I have heard that people understood the frustration. Right to protest yes lots support it, riots and violence never by a major person or hr type. I also find when people post that someone endorsed violence, such as top democrats endorsed it, it’s actually they endorsed the right to protest and condemned violence. Edit: in the briefly posted and then deleted reply to my comment, it was shown to be 100% the case the comment was conflating “we support the right to protest but condemn any violence” with “we support violence” In fact the comment even said: ‘Every company in the Bay Area was "making a statement" on BLM events that were characterized exclusively by massive vandalism and violence.’ Why yes they were making statements, but not in support of violence, they were making statements condemning violence. I work for a Bay Area company, and our ceo like pretty much all companies said “we support people’s right to protest but are against any violence.”
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    - abernard1 5y ago
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    - koheripbal 5y ago
      > I find it highly dubious that any HR endorsed riots People who denied the fact that many BLM protests turned into riots, and then still used their company to platform their public supported them are... numerous in HR in silicon valley.
      - akomtu 5y ago
        I bet most of those didn't study history. Otherwise they would recognize a lot of similarities between BLM and the Red Guard in the Maoist revolution.
        5y ago
ryan_lane 5y ago
You're being manipulated by the police. They're purposely allowing crime to happen so they can point at it and say "this is what happens when you don't support your police". Rather than seeing this as police corruption, you're falling for their propaganda.
- 6sup6 5y ago
  Any proof to support that accusation?
  - ryan_lane 5y ago
    The article in question.
- mk81 5y ago
  "Defund the police!" "ACAB" Crime increases "Fucking police"
  - ryan_lane 5y ago
    The police weren't defunded, they didn't have staffing cut. If the police are sitting there watching a crime happening, and aren't doing anything about it, they should be fired. Of course, they can't be fired because their union won't let that happen. The correct response here is indeed "Fucking police".
    - mk81 5y ago
      Put yourself in the shoes of an honest, hardworking police man/woman for the past 2 years and tell me honestly what you would do in their situation. I know I would either have already left or be biding my time looking for an exit.

no one voted for the police to boycott their own jobs. Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for.

phendrenad2 5y ago
No, but maybe they went to city meetings to protest new prison construction in their area, so the government now needs to find ways to keep the number of people in jail low.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Alright there seems to be a major disconnect here. How does stopping a burglary become impossible if there aren't enough prisons (NOT jails, the two are different). It seems like a total non-sequitur to me.
  - phendrenad2 5y ago
    Police don't really stop crime, they investigate after the fact. Stopping comes as a side-effect of the government prosecuting criminals and making it not worth it to repeat offend.
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abernard1 5y ago
> Some officers may think the paperwork isn’t worth it or are doing it in protest but it’s not what people voted for. But it is. I spent all of 2020 listening to daily edicts on this subject from privileged HR winos in my SF company, while they endorsed riots, and publicly supported criminal trials where it turns out that nope, the criminal was actually the bad guy. Radical chic is temporarily fashionable. It helps make the laptop class feel "they're all in this together" while they're getting care packages of aromatic candles and weekly Calm sessions. But then it's in your backyard and its a problem. Getting rid of Chesa Boudin will not fix this problem, because SF policy is "we don't want this", but if you ask what they do want, it's the same stuff they've been pushing for decades.
- mint2 5y ago
  I find it highly dubious that any HR endorsed riots, I have never heard of an HR department or really anyone endorse violence. At most I have heard that people understood the frustration. Right to protest yes lots support it, riots and violence never by a major person or hr type. I also find when people post that someone endorsed violence, such as top democrats endorsed it, it’s actually they endorsed the right to protest and condemned violence. Edit: in the briefly posted and then deleted reply to my comment, it was shown to be 100% the case the comment was conflating “we support the right to protest but condemn any violence” with “we support violence” In fact the comment even said: ‘Every company in the Bay Area was "making a statement" on BLM events that were characterized exclusively by massive vandalism and violence.’ Why yes they were making statements, but not in support of violence, they were making statements condemning violence. I work for a Bay Area company, and our ceo like pretty much all companies said “we support people’s right to protest but are against any violence.”
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  - abernard1 5y ago
    [flagged]
  - koheripbal 5y ago
    > I find it highly dubious that any HR endorsed riots People who denied the fact that many BLM protests turned into riots, and then still used their company to platform their public supported them are... numerous in HR in silicon valley.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      I bet most of those didn't study history. Otherwise they would recognize a lot of similarities between BLM and the Red Guard in the Maoist revolution.
      - 5y ago

ryan_lane 5y ago

You're being manipulated by the police. They're purposely allowing crime to happen so they can point at it and say "this is what happens when you don't support your police". Rather than seeing this as police corruption, you're falling for their propaganda.

6sup6 5y ago
Any proof to support that accusation?
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  The article in question.
mk81 5y ago
"Defund the police!" "ACAB" Crime increases "Fucking police"
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  The police weren't defunded, they didn't have staffing cut. If the police are sitting there watching a crime happening, and aren't doing anything about it, they should be fired. Of course, they can't be fired because their union won't let that happen. The correct response here is indeed "Fucking police".
  - mk81 5y ago
    Put yourself in the shoes of an honest, hardworking police man/woman for the past 2 years and tell me honestly what you would do in their situation. I know I would either have already left or be biding my time looking for an exit.