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I still see dislikes but will be cancelling my premium the second they go away.

by inChargeOfIT 5y ago

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
With YouTube Vanced, there's no reason for premium
- forgotmyoldacc 5y ago
  Supporting creators?
  - myohmy 5y ago
    Yeah exactly. I hate ads and 15$ is nothing to me. I'm not a poor college student anymore.
    - penjelly 5y ago
      adblocker? exception being mobile..
      - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
        YouTube Vanced. It's the YouTube app with an ad locker built in. Brave browser also blocks ads.
      - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
        And TV
      - gpm 5y ago
        Ublock origin + Firefox seems to block ads on mobile fine for me, the mobile browser interface to youtube does leave something to be desired though.
      - ekianjo 5y ago
        NewPipe on Mobile all the way
        _piif 5y ago
        Yup, I was surprised when I found out it had Sponsorblock integration. Immediately ditched Youtube Vanced in favor of Newpipe at that moment.
        raro11 5y ago
        YouTube Vanced also has it integrated btw. You have to enable it in your settings
        _piif 5y ago
        I'm aware. I simply prefer Newpipe because it has roughly the same functionality, is more lightweight and is open-source (+ it's on F-Droid so I can easily update it along with all my other apps).
        ryanSrich 5y ago
        Anything you’re aware of for iOS?
        stjohnswarts 5y ago
        I only use a phone for watching stuff if I don't have a monitor or laptop around. That said newpipe is fantastic when mobile is the only available platform.
    - perryizgr8 5y ago
      > I hate ads Then you should definitely use Vanced. It eliminates sponsored parts within videos, which are not removed even if you pay for youtube red.
      - jquery 5y ago
        How does it manage that? Crowdsourcing?
        perryizgr8 5y ago
        Yes, people click a button to indicate start and end of sponsored segments in a video. Those time markers are sent to a DB, and every subsequent viewer will use that to skip the ad portion.
      - austinthetaco 5y ago
        that is one horrific way to guarantee the content creators you enjoy don't get money.
        account42 5y ago
        If content creators don't provide ways for paying them besides ads then that's on them.
        austinthetaco 5y ago
        no, it's not on them, it's on you for choosing to take money out of their pocket. They have chosen the monetization revenues that they are comfortable with, circumventing the way people make money while watching their content is highly unethical. You don't show up to a local course or theatre production and use a fake credit card because you dislike the fact that they use visa.
      - Cederfjard 5y ago
        Side note, what’s the etymology of ”Vanced”? Is it meant to hint at “advanced”?
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    Not my problem to solve.
  - Lhiw 5y ago
    So many better ways than funnelling your money through Google.
    - rtkwe 5y ago
      The Patreon or buying merch route doesn't really work for wide scale though. I can do that for a handful of the very top channels I watch regularly but I can't chip in a buck a month for all 400ish channels I'm subscribed to. Supporting a few creators is easy but giving a trickle the a wide field is kind of the sweet spot for ads. It'd be really nice to have a way to say spread say $10 a month among the channels I watch, with maybe some options to weight towards smaller channels too.
      - BizarroLand 5y ago
        Like if Humble Bundle and Patreon had a content creator baby together.
        rtkwe 5y ago
        Yeah a way for me to not pay much, but still more than my measly ad views would be to a creator, without individually giving them a few pennies every month or a bit at the end of the year. A bit problem is this kind of micro payment is expensive to process unless you can aggregate them at the scale of a platform.
  - forgotmyoldname 5y ago
    Most people who post more than once a year seem to have a Patreon or something set up.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    This always comes back. It's supporting creators as much as the pennies creators get on Spotify. Only creators with millions of views make money. The rest, if you want to support them, you use alternative channels for that. The main profit maker is Youtube in any case.
    - Aerroon 5y ago
      That's not true. YouTube gets 45% of the money your videos generate and you get 55%. If a viewer buys a YouTube subscription then 55% of the price of that subscription gets shared among the channels that the viewer watches.
      - MiSeRyDeee 5y ago
        Any source for this?
        Aerroon 5y ago
        >Under YouTube’s standard revenue-sharing terms for YPP, partner channels keep 55% of the money generated from ads on their videos. https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-program-2-million-creators-1235045674/ https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-progra...
      - techdragon 5y ago
        Subscriptions are not the same as Premium. Paying for YouTube Premium basically does nothing to help creators, so you have the extra layer of Subscriptions to individual channels and YouTube get you twice by expecting you to ALSO pay for Subscriptions.
        Aerroon 5y ago
        No, YouTube premium revenue is also shared to the creator. As a creator you even get a breakdown of how much you earned from ads and how much from YouTube premium. I actually forgot that YouTube had rolled out the Join button. You get 70% of the revenue of the Channel Membership (join button). YouTube gets 30%.
- pc86 5y ago
  Seems great for Android but no iOS or desktop versions sort of limits it as a replacement for Premium, no?
- augstein 5y ago
  Is there anything similar for iOS/Apple TV. Still seeing downvotes in my country, but if they remove this imo important metric, I’ll have to cancel my subscription.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  On HN ? Unless you are a student you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it and if you are using it enough to notice ads it makes sense to pay for services you use. This is exactly why the internet is in the situation where it is - nobody wants to pay for stuff so they have to monetise tracking and advertising.
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    Currently I pay for * Breaking Points (10/mo) * 3 substacks (5/mo each) * ProtonMail (5/mo) * StandardNotes (10/mo) * netflix * hulu * prime * boomerang * shudder * disney+ * hbomax * sometimes pandora This is on top of the fact I buy about 20 records a year and roughly average about 20 dvds/blurays a year and about 10 books a year. I dont care if Google doesn't get some money.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    So stop tracking and use good old-fashioned sleuth work like “he's watching a video about fixing plumbing, let's show him some tools or possibly DIY products for homeowners”.
  - jonathantf2 5y ago
    > you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it This is a broad assumption, what makes you think everybody on this site can afford £12 a month for something they can get completely for free with uBlock Origin and YouTube Vanced?
  - temporaryi3 5y ago
    "On HN ? Unless you are a student you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it and if you are using it enough to notice ads it makes sense to pay for services you use." That's simply not true.
  - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
    I spend exponentially more money on content now than I ever did in the past. Both in digital services and physical media. Not everything is worth my money and Google can kiss my ass.

I still see dislikes but will be cancelling my premium the second they go away.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago

With YouTube Vanced, there's no reason for premium

forgotmyoldacc 5y ago
Supporting creators?
- myohmy 5y ago
  Yeah exactly. I hate ads and 15$ is nothing to me. I'm not a poor college student anymore.
  - penjelly 5y ago
    adblocker? exception being mobile..
    - loudtieblahblah 5y ago
      YouTube Vanced. It's the YouTube app with an ad locker built in. Brave browser also blocks ads.
    - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
      And TV
    - gpm 5y ago
      Ublock origin + Firefox seems to block ads on mobile fine for me, the mobile browser interface to youtube does leave something to be desired though.
    - ekianjo 5y ago
      NewPipe on Mobile all the way
      - _piif 5y ago
        Yup, I was surprised when I found out it had Sponsorblock integration. Immediately ditched Youtube Vanced in favor of Newpipe at that moment.
        raro11 5y ago
        YouTube Vanced also has it integrated btw. You have to enable it in your settings
        _piif 5y ago
        I'm aware. I simply prefer Newpipe because it has roughly the same functionality, is more lightweight and is open-source (+ it's on F-Droid so I can easily update it along with all my other apps).
      - ryanSrich 5y ago
        Anything you’re aware of for iOS?
      - stjohnswarts 5y ago
        I only use a phone for watching stuff if I don't have a monitor or laptop around. That said newpipe is fantastic when mobile is the only available platform.
  - perryizgr8 5y ago
    > I hate ads Then you should definitely use Vanced. It eliminates sponsored parts within videos, which are not removed even if you pay for youtube red.
    - jquery 5y ago
      How does it manage that? Crowdsourcing?
      - perryizgr8 5y ago
        Yes, people click a button to indicate start and end of sponsored segments in a video. Those time markers are sent to a DB, and every subsequent viewer will use that to skip the ad portion.
    - austinthetaco 5y ago
      that is one horrific way to guarantee the content creators you enjoy don't get money.
      - account42 5y ago
        If content creators don't provide ways for paying them besides ads then that's on them.
        austinthetaco 5y ago
        no, it's not on them, it's on you for choosing to take money out of their pocket. They have chosen the monetization revenues that they are comfortable with, circumventing the way people make money while watching their content is highly unethical. You don't show up to a local course or theatre production and use a fake credit card because you dislike the fact that they use visa.
    - Cederfjard 5y ago
      Side note, what’s the etymology of ”Vanced”? Is it meant to hint at “advanced”?
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  Not my problem to solve.
- Lhiw 5y ago
  So many better ways than funnelling your money through Google.
  - rtkwe 5y ago
    The Patreon or buying merch route doesn't really work for wide scale though. I can do that for a handful of the very top channels I watch regularly but I can't chip in a buck a month for all 400ish channels I'm subscribed to. Supporting a few creators is easy but giving a trickle the a wide field is kind of the sweet spot for ads. It'd be really nice to have a way to say spread say $10 a month among the channels I watch, with maybe some options to weight towards smaller channels too.
    - BizarroLand 5y ago
      Like if Humble Bundle and Patreon had a content creator baby together.
      - rtkwe 5y ago
        Yeah a way for me to not pay much, but still more than my measly ad views would be to a creator, without individually giving them a few pennies every month or a bit at the end of the year. A bit problem is this kind of micro payment is expensive to process unless you can aggregate them at the scale of a platform.
- forgotmyoldname 5y ago
  Most people who post more than once a year seem to have a Patreon or something set up.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  This always comes back. It's supporting creators as much as the pennies creators get on Spotify. Only creators with millions of views make money. The rest, if you want to support them, you use alternative channels for that. The main profit maker is Youtube in any case.
  - Aerroon 5y ago
    That's not true. YouTube gets 45% of the money your videos generate and you get 55%. If a viewer buys a YouTube subscription then 55% of the price of that subscription gets shared among the channels that the viewer watches.
    - MiSeRyDeee 5y ago
      Any source for this?
      - Aerroon 5y ago
        >Under YouTube’s standard revenue-sharing terms for YPP, partner channels keep 55% of the money generated from ads on their videos. https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-program-2-million-creators-1235045674/ https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-progra...
    - techdragon 5y ago
      Subscriptions are not the same as Premium. Paying for YouTube Premium basically does nothing to help creators, so you have the extra layer of Subscriptions to individual channels and YouTube get you twice by expecting you to ALSO pay for Subscriptions.
      - Aerroon 5y ago
        No, YouTube premium revenue is also shared to the creator. As a creator you even get a breakdown of how much you earned from ads and how much from YouTube premium. I actually forgot that YouTube had rolled out the Join button. You get 70% of the revenue of the Channel Membership (join button). YouTube gets 30%.
pc86 5y ago
Seems great for Android but no iOS or desktop versions sort of limits it as a replacement for Premium, no?
augstein 5y ago
Is there anything similar for iOS/Apple TV. Still seeing downvotes in my country, but if they remove this imo important metric, I’ll have to cancel my subscription.
moonchrome 5y ago
On HN ? Unless you are a student you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it and if you are using it enough to notice ads it makes sense to pay for services you use. This is exactly why the internet is in the situation where it is - nobody wants to pay for stuff so they have to monetise tracking and advertising.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  Currently I pay for * Breaking Points (10/mo) * 3 substacks (5/mo each) * ProtonMail (5/mo) * StandardNotes (10/mo) * netflix * hulu * prime * boomerang * shudder * disney+ * hbomax * sometimes pandora This is on top of the fact I buy about 20 records a year and roughly average about 20 dvds/blurays a year and about 10 books a year. I dont care if Google doesn't get some money.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  So stop tracking and use good old-fashioned sleuth work like “he's watching a video about fixing plumbing, let's show him some tools or possibly DIY products for homeowners”.
- jonathantf2 5y ago
  > you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it This is a broad assumption, what makes you think everybody on this site can afford £12 a month for something they can get completely for free with uBlock Origin and YouTube Vanced?
- temporaryi3 5y ago
  "On HN ? Unless you are a student you are making enough money to afford premium without thinking much about it and if you are using it enough to notice ads it makes sense to pay for services you use." That's simply not true.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  I spend exponentially more money on content now than I ever did in the past. Both in digital services and physical media. Not everything is worth my money and Google can kiss my ass.