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Same with the coronavirus related subs last year: https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1582202873483.jpg https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1582202873483.jpg It was discovered and so

Same with the coronavirus related subs last year: https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1582202873483.jpg https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1582202873483.jpg It was discovered and some of the mods removed themselves. Honestly I just think they go by another name.

asutekku 5y ago
That screenshot is from /pol/ so I'm curious if the complaints about "censorship" were that people couldn't call it a china flu.
- elzbardico 5y ago
  Of course, because for some reason this is suddenly unacceptable but it is ok to have an Indian variant or a Brazilian variant.
  - asutekku 5y ago
    There's a semantic difference with "X virus" and "Y variant". "X virus" denotes the virus was caused by country X and is behind it all, whereas "Y variant" denotes it was mutated in there but is not the root cause of it all.
    - nemo44x 5y ago
      But yet “Havana Syndrome” is freely used everywhere.
      - Seanambers 5y ago
        Yeah, at a certain point back in 2020 it suddenly was very bad to have variants with geographic origin in the naming. Although that was how it had been done in many other cases.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      I don't think that's true. West Nile Virus wasn't caused by people West of the Nile, the Spanish Flu wasn't caused by Spain, MERS is called that because it was discovered in the Middle East, not because people in the Middle East caused it, etc. The form "X virus" does not at all imply that the virus was caused by X. Then, of course, there is the very real possibility that China literally did cause the virus.
    - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
      Doubt the people in the countries who are associated with those variants appreciate your semantic parsing.
    - krsdcbl 5y ago
      I don't think there is so much, the distinction between "caused by" and "discovered there" escapes most people in casual use Imho the reason this time it was different with terms like "China flu" is not that it's generally unacceptable to nickname an illness by it's region of first discovery, but that Trump was actively using this terminology to push an agenda
  - jon-wood 5y ago
    That's also considered unacceptable, and the reason variants are now assigned sequential names from the phonetic alphabet, hence "Delta Variant".
    - defaultprimate 5y ago
      Zika Ebola Lyme MERS West Nile Virus Marburg Virus Guinea Worm German Measles Ross River Fever Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever Norovirus Or for a complete list of thousands, simply look up toponymic diseases
      - krallja 5y ago
        German measles is more commonly called rubella
      - javagram 5y ago
        2015: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-who-has-new-rules-avoiding-offensive-names https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-w... > The World Health Organization (WHO) mostly works to reduce the physical toll of disease. But last week it turned to another kind of harm: the insult and stigma inflicted by diseases named for people, places, and animals. Among the existing monikers that its new guidelines “for the Naming of New Human Infectious Diseases” would discourage: Ebola, swine flu, Rift Valley Fever, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and monkey pox.
  - socram2k 5y ago
    Spanish flu...
    - detaro 5y ago
      is an excellent example of why that kind of naming is stupid, given that it likely first appeared in the US and primarily became known as "spanish" because Spain (not being at war) was actually talking about it instead of censoring reports about it.
  - pajamanaut 5y ago
    I heard the terms "corona" and "covid" long before the term "china flu"
- ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
  Why would you be banned by a moderator of /r/China_Flu for calling it China flu?
  - asutekku 5y ago
    From the subreddit sidebar: > The name r/China_Flu was created at a time when SARS-CoV-2 had not been named and was only affecting China. Subreddit names cannot be changed after they are created. This subreddit is a place to discuss the 2019 Wuhan-originated novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and the disease it causes, called COVID-19.
    - arvigeus 5y ago
      They assumed it started in China? That’s racist! /s
- deorder 5y ago
  What the screenshot shows is that only a handful of mods were running all major coronavirus related subs. /r/China_Flu is a major coronavirus related subreddit endorsed and promoted by Reddit themselves. Originally the image is not coming from 4chan.
- rhaksw 5y ago
  I remember seeing links to reveddit, a site I made, over this. A competing subreddit claimed censorship [1] by posting low-res screenshots of removed posts [2]. It was just a way to drum up support for their own subreddit. The screenshots were misleading because every subreddit with any history has tons of removed posts, and that's the default view on reveddit. I'm 99% sure most users understood this right away though. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Wuhan_Flu/comments/ev6yhy/the_new_sub_for_uncensored_discussion_of_novel/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Wuhan_Flu/comments/ev6yhy/the_new_s... [2] https://i.imgur.com/kL8I8qy.png https://i.imgur.com/kL8I8qy.png
  - deorder 5y ago
    Do you think Wuhan_Flu (the creator/mods) had/has bad intentions? At the time it was one of the few subs where you could talk about things you couldn't talk about in other subs (info leaking out from China regarding the virus). That sub was quarantined for spreading misinformation and fearmongering which someone at /r/OutOfTheLoop summarized as: > The users of that subreddit believe in a conspiracy that the Wuhan Coronavirus is more serious than the governments of China and the United States are telling them. They believe the government is mismanaging the outbreak. They were quarantined because an admin believed the subreddit was spreading misinformation.
    - rhaksw 5y ago
      They may well have believed what they shared. In this case, other subs were not removing more content, despite the claims [1], and it was simple to verify. [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7jqbx/reddit-cant-quarantine-coronavirus-misinformation https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7jqbx/reddit-cant-quarantin...
      - deorder 5y ago
        Thank you. Really appreciate your input. I did read that Vice article before and recently shared it here as well. From what I remember at the time /r/coronavirus and /r/china_flu removed any discussion about "leaks" (or were they?) from China. On the other hand, not all the "leaks" discussed in /r/Wuhan_Flu turned out to be what they seemed (videos of people "dropping dead" on the streets etc.).
swebs 5y ago
Links on 4chan's CDN tend to get pruned a few hours after the thread dies. Here's an archive of your image: https://archive.is/4RJwu/6ec51706a8b44347b50d6ee38cc56191a7dea34e.jpg https://archive.is/4RJwu/6ec51706a8b44347b50d6ee38cc56191a7d...

asutekku 5y ago

That screenshot is from /pol/ so I'm curious if the complaints about "censorship" were that people couldn't call it a china flu.

elzbardico 5y ago
Of course, because for some reason this is suddenly unacceptable but it is ok to have an Indian variant or a Brazilian variant.
- asutekku 5y ago
  There's a semantic difference with "X virus" and "Y variant". "X virus" denotes the virus was caused by country X and is behind it all, whereas "Y variant" denotes it was mutated in there but is not the root cause of it all.
  - nemo44x 5y ago
    But yet “Havana Syndrome” is freely used everywhere.
    - Seanambers 5y ago
      Yeah, at a certain point back in 2020 it suddenly was very bad to have variants with geographic origin in the naming. Although that was how it had been done in many other cases.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    I don't think that's true. West Nile Virus wasn't caused by people West of the Nile, the Spanish Flu wasn't caused by Spain, MERS is called that because it was discovered in the Middle East, not because people in the Middle East caused it, etc. The form "X virus" does not at all imply that the virus was caused by X. Then, of course, there is the very real possibility that China literally did cause the virus.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    Doubt the people in the countries who are associated with those variants appreciate your semantic parsing.
  - krsdcbl 5y ago
    I don't think there is so much, the distinction between "caused by" and "discovered there" escapes most people in casual use Imho the reason this time it was different with terms like "China flu" is not that it's generally unacceptable to nickname an illness by it's region of first discovery, but that Trump was actively using this terminology to push an agenda
- jon-wood 5y ago
  That's also considered unacceptable, and the reason variants are now assigned sequential names from the phonetic alphabet, hence "Delta Variant".
  - defaultprimate 5y ago
    Zika Ebola Lyme MERS West Nile Virus Marburg Virus Guinea Worm German Measles Ross River Fever Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever Norovirus Or for a complete list of thousands, simply look up toponymic diseases
    - krallja 5y ago
      German measles is more commonly called rubella
    - javagram 5y ago
      2015: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-who-has-new-rules-avoiding-offensive-names https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/05/discovered-disease-w... > The World Health Organization (WHO) mostly works to reduce the physical toll of disease. But last week it turned to another kind of harm: the insult and stigma inflicted by diseases named for people, places, and animals. Among the existing monikers that its new guidelines “for the Naming of New Human Infectious Diseases” would discourage: Ebola, swine flu, Rift Valley Fever, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and monkey pox.
- socram2k 5y ago
  Spanish flu...
  - detaro 5y ago
    is an excellent example of why that kind of naming is stupid, given that it likely first appeared in the US and primarily became known as "spanish" because Spain (not being at war) was actually talking about it instead of censoring reports about it.
- pajamanaut 5y ago
  I heard the terms "corona" and "covid" long before the term "china flu"
ad404b8a372f2b9 5y ago
Why would you be banned by a moderator of /r/China_Flu for calling it China flu?
- asutekku 5y ago
  From the subreddit sidebar: > The name r/China_Flu was created at a time when SARS-CoV-2 had not been named and was only affecting China. Subreddit names cannot be changed after they are created. This subreddit is a place to discuss the 2019 Wuhan-originated novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and the disease it causes, called COVID-19.
  - arvigeus 5y ago
    They assumed it started in China? That’s racist! /s
deorder 5y ago
What the screenshot shows is that only a handful of mods were running all major coronavirus related subs. /r/China_Flu is a major coronavirus related subreddit endorsed and promoted by Reddit themselves. Originally the image is not coming from 4chan.
rhaksw 5y ago
I remember seeing links to reveddit, a site I made, over this. A competing subreddit claimed censorship [1] by posting low-res screenshots of removed posts [2]. It was just a way to drum up support for their own subreddit. The screenshots were misleading because every subreddit with any history has tons of removed posts, and that's the default view on reveddit. I'm 99% sure most users understood this right away though. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Wuhan_Flu/comments/ev6yhy/the_new_sub_for_uncensored_discussion_of_novel/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Wuhan_Flu/comments/ev6yhy/the_new_s... [2] https://i.imgur.com/kL8I8qy.png https://i.imgur.com/kL8I8qy.png
- deorder 5y ago
  Do you think Wuhan_Flu (the creator/mods) had/has bad intentions? At the time it was one of the few subs where you could talk about things you couldn't talk about in other subs (info leaking out from China regarding the virus). That sub was quarantined for spreading misinformation and fearmongering which someone at /r/OutOfTheLoop summarized as: > The users of that subreddit believe in a conspiracy that the Wuhan Coronavirus is more serious than the governments of China and the United States are telling them. They believe the government is mismanaging the outbreak. They were quarantined because an admin believed the subreddit was spreading misinformation.
  - rhaksw 5y ago
    They may well have believed what they shared. In this case, other subs were not removing more content, despite the claims [1], and it was simple to verify. [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7jqbx/reddit-cant-quarantine-coronavirus-misinformation https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7jqbx/reddit-cant-quarantin...
    - deorder 5y ago
      Thank you. Really appreciate your input. I did read that Vice article before and recently shared it here as well. From what I remember at the time /r/coronavirus and /r/china_flu removed any discussion about "leaks" (or were they?) from China. On the other hand, not all the "leaks" discussed in /r/Wuhan_Flu turned out to be what they seemed (videos of people "dropping dead" on the streets etc.).

swebs 5y ago

Links on 4chan's CDN tend to get pruned a few hours after the thread dies. Here's an archive of your image: https://archive.is/4RJwu/6ec51706a8b44347b50d6ee38cc56191a7dea34e.jpg https://archive.is/4RJwu/6ec51706a8b44347b50d6ee38cc56191a7d...