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Playlist for iOS

133 points by bsclifton 5y ago

luffapi 5y ago
Neat. It feels like there’s space for browsers to “browse” non-html content. This is a great example. So much of my browsing is media based, it makes sense that the web browser should have media controls and features. I wonder if generating/editing media could also use some love. For instance, basic audio/video editing so you can clean stuff up before you post it.
qzw 5y ago
From the FAQ: > Brave Playlist supports most open web standards. However, it does not currently support Digital Rights Management (DRM) tools or media delivery services (e.g. Spotify or Netflix). Other than that, seems like a handy app, especially now that travel is on the upswing again.
goodcjw2 5y ago
This seems to be bypassing all the ads in YT? Basically we can get Youtube Premium for free here? Wondering what's the legal implication for brave.com to make such as app? edit: I could be completely over thinking this.
- goodcjw2 5y ago
  Actually, I should have catch up a bit about what brave is. For those who have just heard about this like me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG981gXqdU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG981gXqdU4
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  Youtube-dl also gives you this ability. My sense is that Google doesn't like it but doesn't want to deal with the PR fallout of banning tools like youtube-dl at the moment. Perhaps if this gets popular enough Google will do something.
  - rvp-x 5y ago
    NewPipe isn't on the Google Play store. I assume that this app can't be either.
- AvocadoCake 5y ago
  Brave already blocks ads on YT (on mobile and desktop).
devmunchies 5y ago
I think creating BAT was one of the smartest things Brave did. How is that relevant? It has > $2billion market cap. They don't need Google's money like Mozilla. This feature allows you to download a youtube video and watch it offline. It also lets you play it in background mode so you can listen to audio with the screen off. Google doesn't let you do that unless you pay for youtube. And on the bottom of this announcement, I see a link to another Brave project, a search engine: https://brave.com/search/ https://brave.com/search/
- gowld 5y ago
  Is that $2billion in spendable money for Brave? If people use BATs to pay publishers, that's not Brave's money.
  - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
    They hold 13.3% of all BAT.
    - PascLeRasc 5y ago
      How many US Dollars can they extract from that before all the selling crashes the price?
      - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
        Tens of millions per year if managed correctly. It's a development fund; spending it to grow the ecosystem is arguably a good thing for BAT holders.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  > I think creating BAT was one of the smartest things Brave did. […] This feature allows you to download a youtube video and watch it offline. That feature is unrelated to BAT. Also: Brave has a built-in functionality to violate YouTube's ToS (sections 5B and 5C)?
parhamn 5y ago
FYI, There is a really cool design project here: https://refresh.study/ https://refresh.study/ that also explored the 'playlist' feature. I've been building a browser the past year (https://synth.app https://synth.app), and have learned a few things from it (including implementing media players like this). Really makes you realize how little our browsers are currently doing for us.
- warpech 5y ago
  I can see a lot of interesting new ideas in Synth! "Smart Bookmarks & History" sound great on their own but "Auto-Roam" is what nailed my own itch. Are you still working on it?
  - parhamn 5y ago
    Thanks -- Yes, full time! It's been the only browser installed on my computer the last few months. We have a bunch of friends using it exclusively but are still polishing a things for a broader release.
- danielmeskin 5y ago
  Sorry if this was asked already but is Synth chromium based?
  - parhamn 5y ago
    No problem. It is. I an curious how you feel about that. The engine is a bit agnostic of the rendering layer (we will have a similarly powerful iOS app at some point too).
    - PostThisTooFast 5y ago
      I generally oppose anything Chromium, because it's ushering in a return to the shitty days of "this site is best viewed in Microsoft Explorer." But... not sure what an independent developer is to do about that.
xNeil 5y ago
I used to use Brave a lot, not so much now. They seem to be trying to become a privacy-friendly alternative to Google, which I respect, but I'm not sure why, I thoroughly dislike their Brave Ads. Not because their (edit:they're) intrusive, but they're basically saying "We're going to block ads from Google, but we're going to show you our own ads, because ours are privacy-friendly!" They are adding a subscription feature though, so that might hopefully be a solution.
- jarenmf 5y ago
  But you can easily disable the ads if you don't like them
  - xNeil 5y ago
    Of course! And while that is a valid point, my issue is not that you can turn them on or off - it's the fact that they are there. Again -I totally understand they have to make money. This is only my opinion - that's all - but it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own.
    - waltherg 5y ago
      I thought the point of those ads wasn't that Brave make money but that you accrue those Brave tokens as a representation of your attention and get to send those tokens to publishers of your choice via the browser? Also, I turned them off as these ads are quite annoying and have a "cheap feel" to them.
      - xNeil 5y ago
        Brave does make money off of them - they get 30%, you get 70%, I believe. And yes, the idea of sending BAT to websites directly was excellent. The website needs to have registered for the BAT wallet though. (Not a big deal, of course)
    - jarenmf 5y ago
      I think it's a valid point for discussion but they deliver the ads through a different mechanism (system notifications). So it's a bit different than replacing the ads of other web pages.
johnthuss 5y ago
If this gains any kind of traction I will be shocked if Google doesn't squash its ability to access YouTube videos. Google can't be ok with this.
- digianarchist 5y ago
  Offline videos is a YouTube premium feature.
pierrec 5y ago
Stock pictures never cease to amaze. What a mind-bending collage: https://brave.com/static-assets/images/optimized/playlist-plane@3x.jpg https://brave.com/static-assets/images/optimized/playlist-pl...
- slg 5y ago
  No better place to learn how to make eggs Benedict than on a plane.
  - owenversteeg 5y ago
    Learning how to make eggs Benedict in a large plane flying at low altitude between skyscrapers in a city while somehow connected to 5G. Hmm.
    - lostgame 5y ago
      The future is now.
    - abcd_f 5y ago
      Also, look at all that legroom. What a fantasy.
- snug 5y ago
  Wendover productions on Youtube uses a lot of really great stock photos in his video essays, they really never cease to amaze me
turblety 5y ago
It's only a matter of time before the real owner of the iOS device you paid for (Apple), bans this app from their malware [1] store, preventing you from using it on their phone. Of course, Apple users would have no alternative/competitive way of installing this. Enjoy it while it lasts. 1. https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-app-store-is-apparently-still-littered-with-malicious-apps https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-app-store-is-apparently...
- draw_down 5y ago
  Come on
asadlionpk 5y ago
This will get shut down very soon. I am actually surprised Apple even approved this. I essentially built the same thing for myself (music player that combines/searches multiple sources, use youtube-dl server to stream optimized mp3 only), I had to skip app store and sideload it.
- echelon 5y ago
  Isn't it about time we asked what the hell is wrong with this picture? You can't even use your own device to consume content the way you want. The DOJ needs to break apart Apple. If not the DOJ, then Epic's court case. Apple literally became the monster in their 1984 commercial.
  - s17n 5y ago
    Brave will get a cease and desist from YouTube anyway.
  - aikinai 5y ago
    Apple should be broken apart by the government because YouTube abides by the government’s copyright rules? Sure, the current situation isn’t what I’d want either, but this line of thought makes no sense.
    - echelon 5y ago
      You're shifting the argument. Of course Google will protect their copyright. That doesn't mean Apple should prevent video download software from being on their platform. There are an unlimited number of legitimate uses for it. The disrespect and hubris Apple has to control the behavior of its users is astounding.
- rideontime 5y ago
  Even if, hypothetically, Apple doesn't pull it, how long until Google blocks it? Is Brave big enough to be sued if they continue circumventing Youtube's terms?
johnghanks 5y ago
but why
musicale 5y ago
> Audio and Video can be saved for offline mode, for playback when you don’t have internet, but they cannot be downloaded and moved to a separate device. The missing download and export function seems like an obvious and very annoying omission. Hopefully it can be added in the future.
- hkh28 5y ago
  It is probably to make it harder for Google/Apple to remove the app, or for Youtube to justify blocking the app from working with their videos.
encryptluks2 5y ago
I think this is funny since NewPipe does this already and is open source.
- quick_brown_fox 5y ago
  brave is open source too https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/ https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    IOS isn't open source and there isn't a version for Android from what I can tell.
    - BrendanEich 5y ago
      Working on Playlist for other OSes.
draw_down 5y ago
This is a wonderful feature, including the ability to use picture-in-picture with YouTube videos.
layoutIfNeeded 5y ago
I thought the AppStore didn't allow apps that download videos from YouTube: >5.2.3 Audio/Video Downloading: Apps should not facilitate illegal file sharing or include the ability to save, convert, or download media from third-party sources (e.g. Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, Vimeo, etc.) without explicit authorization from those sources. So either they have permission from YouTube, or will be promptly removed from the store....
- taylodl 5y ago
  You can't share or convert the media. Technically you're saving it, but it's only accessible on the device on which it was saved and only using the software (Brave browser) that saved it. It's an interesting grey area. Hopefully the folks at Brave have already talked this through with Apple and Google and have their support.
whobutsb 5y ago
Are you able to drop in your own local MP3 files to Playlist? I miss having an offline audio player not connected to a streaming service. Anyone have any Android recommendations?

133 points by bsclifton 5y ago

Neat. It feels like there’s space for browsers to “browse” non-html content. This is a great example. So much of my browsing is media based, it makes sense that the web browser should have media controls and features. I wonder if generating/editing media could also use some love. For instance, basic audio/video editing so you can clean stuff up before you post it.

qzw 5y ago

From the FAQ: > Brave Playlist supports most open web standards. However, it does not currently support Digital Rights Management (DRM) tools or media delivery services (e.g. Spotify or Netflix). Other than that, seems like a handy app, especially now that travel is on the upswing again.

goodcjw2 5y ago

This seems to be bypassing all the ads in YT? Basically we can get Youtube Premium for free here? Wondering what's the legal implication for brave.com to make such as app? edit: I could be completely over thinking this.

goodcjw2 5y ago
Actually, I should have catch up a bit about what brave is. For those who have just heard about this like me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG981gXqdU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG981gXqdU4
AlexandrB 5y ago
Youtube-dl also gives you this ability. My sense is that Google doesn't like it but doesn't want to deal with the PR fallout of banning tools like youtube-dl at the moment. Perhaps if this gets popular enough Google will do something.
- rvp-x 5y ago
  NewPipe isn't on the Google Play store. I assume that this app can't be either.
AvocadoCake 5y ago
Brave already blocks ads on YT (on mobile and desktop).

devmunchies 5y ago

I think creating BAT was one of the smartest things Brave did. How is that relevant? It has > $2billion market cap. They don't need Google's money like Mozilla. This feature allows you to download a youtube video and watch it offline. It also lets you play it in background mode so you can listen to audio with the screen off. Google doesn't let you do that unless you pay for youtube. And on the bottom of this announcement, I see a link to another Brave project, a search engine: https://brave.com/search/ https://brave.com/search/

gowld 5y ago
Is that $2billion in spendable money for Brave? If people use BATs to pay publishers, that's not Brave's money.
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
  They hold 13.3% of all BAT.
  - PascLeRasc 5y ago
    How many US Dollars can they extract from that before all the selling crashes the price?
    - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
      Tens of millions per year if managed correctly. It's a development fund; spending it to grow the ecosystem is arguably a good thing for BAT holders.
CharlesW 5y ago
> I think creating BAT was one of the smartest things Brave did. […] This feature allows you to download a youtube video and watch it offline. That feature is unrelated to BAT. Also: Brave has a built-in functionality to violate YouTube's ToS (sections 5B and 5C)?

parhamn 5y ago

FYI, There is a really cool design project here: https://refresh.study/ https://refresh.study/ that also explored the 'playlist' feature. I've been building a browser the past year (https://synth.app https://synth.app), and have learned a few things from it (including implementing media players like this). Really makes you realize how little our browsers are currently doing for us.

warpech 5y ago
I can see a lot of interesting new ideas in Synth! "Smart Bookmarks & History" sound great on their own but "Auto-Roam" is what nailed my own itch. Are you still working on it?
- parhamn 5y ago
  Thanks -- Yes, full time! It's been the only browser installed on my computer the last few months. We have a bunch of friends using it exclusively but are still polishing a things for a broader release.
danielmeskin 5y ago
Sorry if this was asked already but is Synth chromium based?
- parhamn 5y ago
  No problem. It is. I an curious how you feel about that. The engine is a bit agnostic of the rendering layer (we will have a similarly powerful iOS app at some point too).
  - PostThisTooFast 5y ago
    I generally oppose anything Chromium, because it's ushering in a return to the shitty days of "this site is best viewed in Microsoft Explorer." But... not sure what an independent developer is to do about that.

xNeil 5y ago

I used to use Brave a lot, not so much now. They seem to be trying to become a privacy-friendly alternative to Google, which I respect, but I'm not sure why, I thoroughly dislike their Brave Ads. Not because their (edit:they're) intrusive, but they're basically saying "We're going to block ads from Google, but we're going to show you our own ads, because ours are privacy-friendly!" They are adding a subscription feature though, so that might hopefully be a solution.

jarenmf 5y ago
But you can easily disable the ads if you don't like them
- xNeil 5y ago
  Of course! And while that is a valid point, my issue is not that you can turn them on or off - it's the fact that they are there. Again -I totally understand they have to make money. This is only my opinion - that's all - but it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own.
  - waltherg 5y ago
    I thought the point of those ads wasn't that Brave make money but that you accrue those Brave tokens as a representation of your attention and get to send those tokens to publishers of your choice via the browser? Also, I turned them off as these ads are quite annoying and have a "cheap feel" to them.
    - xNeil 5y ago
      Brave does make money off of them - they get 30%, you get 70%, I believe. And yes, the idea of sending BAT to websites directly was excellent. The website needs to have registered for the BAT wallet though. (Not a big deal, of course)
  - jarenmf 5y ago
    I think it's a valid point for discussion but they deliver the ads through a different mechanism (system notifications). So it's a bit different than replacing the ads of other web pages.

johnthuss 5y ago

If this gains any kind of traction I will be shocked if Google doesn't squash its ability to access YouTube videos. Google can't be ok with this.

digianarchist 5y ago
Offline videos is a YouTube premium feature.

pierrec 5y ago

Stock pictures never cease to amaze. What a mind-bending collage: https://brave.com/static-assets/images/optimized/playlist-plane@3x.jpg https://brave.com/static-assets/images/optimized/playlist-pl...

slg 5y ago
No better place to learn how to make eggs Benedict than on a plane.
- owenversteeg 5y ago
  Learning how to make eggs Benedict in a large plane flying at low altitude between skyscrapers in a city while somehow connected to 5G. Hmm.
  - lostgame 5y ago
    The future is now.
  - abcd_f 5y ago
    Also, look at all that legroom. What a fantasy.
snug 5y ago
Wendover productions on Youtube uses a lot of really great stock photos in his video essays, they really never cease to amaze me

turblety 5y ago

It's only a matter of time before the real owner of the iOS device you paid for (Apple), bans this app from their malware [1] store, preventing you from using it on their phone. Of course, Apple users would have no alternative/competitive way of installing this. Enjoy it while it lasts. 1. https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-app-store-is-apparently-still-littered-with-malicious-apps https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-app-store-is-apparently...

draw_down 5y ago
Come on

asadlionpk 5y ago

This will get shut down very soon. I am actually surprised Apple even approved this. I essentially built the same thing for myself (music player that combines/searches multiple sources, use youtube-dl server to stream optimized mp3 only), I had to skip app store and sideload it.

echelon 5y ago
Isn't it about time we asked what the hell is wrong with this picture? You can't even use your own device to consume content the way you want. The DOJ needs to break apart Apple. If not the DOJ, then Epic's court case. Apple literally became the monster in their 1984 commercial.
- s17n 5y ago
  Brave will get a cease and desist from YouTube anyway.
- aikinai 5y ago
  Apple should be broken apart by the government because YouTube abides by the government’s copyright rules? Sure, the current situation isn’t what I’d want either, but this line of thought makes no sense.
  - echelon 5y ago
    You're shifting the argument. Of course Google will protect their copyright. That doesn't mean Apple should prevent video download software from being on their platform. There are an unlimited number of legitimate uses for it. The disrespect and hubris Apple has to control the behavior of its users is astounding.
rideontime 5y ago
Even if, hypothetically, Apple doesn't pull it, how long until Google blocks it? Is Brave big enough to be sued if they continue circumventing Youtube's terms?

johnghanks 5y ago

but why

musicale 5y ago

> Audio and Video can be saved for offline mode, for playback when you don’t have internet, but they cannot be downloaded and moved to a separate device. The missing download and export function seems like an obvious and very annoying omission. Hopefully it can be added in the future.

hkh28 5y ago
It is probably to make it harder for Google/Apple to remove the app, or for Youtube to justify blocking the app from working with their videos.

encryptluks2 5y ago

I think this is funny since NewPipe does this already and is open source.

quick_brown_fox 5y ago
brave is open source too https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/ https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  IOS isn't open source and there isn't a version for Android from what I can tell.
  - BrendanEich 5y ago
    Working on Playlist for other OSes.

draw_down 5y ago

This is a wonderful feature, including the ability to use picture-in-picture with YouTube videos.

layoutIfNeeded 5y ago

I thought the AppStore didn't allow apps that download videos from YouTube: >5.2.3 Audio/Video Downloading: Apps should not facilitate illegal file sharing or include the ability to save, convert, or download media from third-party sources (e.g. Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, Vimeo, etc.) without explicit authorization from those sources. So either they have permission from YouTube, or will be promptly removed from the store....

taylodl 5y ago
You can't share or convert the media. Technically you're saving it, but it's only accessible on the device on which it was saved and only using the software (Brave browser) that saved it. It's an interesting grey area. Hopefully the folks at Brave have already talked this through with Apple and Google and have their support.

whobutsb 5y ago

Are you able to drop in your own local MP3 files to Playlist? I miss having an offline audio player not connected to a streaming service. Anyone have any Android recommendations?