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> The recent shit storm was not caused by a malicious act on the part of anybody at UMN. The "overworked" maintainers made a mistake and ascribed malice to the

> The recent shit storm was not caused by a malicious act on the part of anybody at UMN. The "overworked" maintainers made a mistake and ascribed malice to the actions of a good-faith contributor who also happened to be from UMN This is not true and is explained in the article: > That said, there are multiple definitions of "malice". To some of the developers involved, posting unverified patches from an experimental static-analysis tool without disclosing their nature is a malicious act. It is another form of experiment involving non-consenting humans. This is the “recent shit storm” and can in no way be described as “good-faith” particularly after the disgusting response from the researcher after being called out on their shit.

staticassertion 5y ago
This is so very frustrating, and why I wish the LWN article more strongly explained how wrong Greg was. > particularly after the disgusting response from the researcher after being called out on their shit. The researcher was slandered publicly by Greg. Greg repeatedly accuses the maintainer of purposefully submitting malicious patches, which he NEVER did. Greg also does so in an extraordinarily insulting way, diminishing the student's skillset, somewhat ironically as the student's research did in fact find bugs in the kernel. The researcher very rightfully responded the way he did - by calling out the slanderous remarks and removing himself from the Linux Kernel, a project that will no longer benefit from his contributions (which, if you bothered to look into, are far better than Greg gave credit for). Greg is very much in the wrong here. He is the one who made repeated false accusations. Please do not continue the very unfortunate attacks against a student who was only trying to submit good-faith patches to the kernel.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  You omitted the fact that Aditya's advisor was Kangjie Lu, who ran the research project with the bogus patches. It would be natural to assume that anything from that general direction would be more of the same.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    I didn't "omit it", it's irrelevant. It obviously would not be natural since it was incorrect, and a natural response would not be to throw blind, incorrect allegations and ridiculous insults due to a suspicion. Greg overreacted. Linus agrees, other kernel maintainers agree. The only person who won't come out and admit it is Greg himself, and his overreaction has cost the kernel a valuable asset as well as the reputation of an innocent researcher, who now gets comments like "they're disgusting" from people who took Greg's accusations at face value.
    - silly-silly 5y ago
      So, there is a code of conduct.. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-condu...
      - staticassertion 5y ago
        Yes, it's a sham, Greg is on the CoC committee.
  - dcow 5y ago
    And this justifies slandering another unrelated human how? It might explain the more aggressive jump to an assumption of malice, you are correct, but it sure as hell doesn't justify arbitrary negative actions especially towards another honest human being resulting from such a leap. That's either Greg's fault or Kangjie's fault or some combination but certainly not Aditya's fault and they don't deserve to be treated as sub-human because of simple proximity. That type of reality is not natural and it's not human and it's not the one I live in. Be pissed at the stupid research paper all you want. It doesn't justify treating some tertiary human like utter shit. And for the record nobody is trying to "cancel" Greg or the kernel here. The project is great and Greg is probably a super chill dude on most occasions. But people aren't perfect and fuck up. You can act rashly under stress and later be wrong. That's understandable and that is human. The whole point is how you respond in light of new information. That's the test of character. We don't need to sit here and sweep Greg's BS under the rug because he's a kernel celebrity. I honestly think some form of apology would go a long way to rectifying the slander, and cool down the whole thing and most importantly, might be enough to make Aditya feel welcome again in the community. Greg was wrong, his behavior rash, and the example should not be emulated by others in our community. Period.
- nominated1 5y ago
  I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot say in this manner. As for attacking people, you’re doing a whole lot more than me, which unlike you, wasn’t my intent.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    > I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot say in this manner. I didn't tell you what to say, I'm pleading with you and everyone else to stop spreading misinformation that is costing an innocent man his reputation. > As for attacking people, you’re doing a whole lot more than me, which unlike you, wasn’t my intent. You called Aditya's response "disgusting".
  - dcow 5y ago
    I don't see any attacking. Don't be hysterical. I see a plead to yield to facts and to treat other humans with respect because they're human and they deserve basic respect.

staticassertion 5y ago

This is so very frustrating, and why I wish the LWN article more strongly explained how wrong Greg was. > particularly after the disgusting response from the researcher after being called out on their shit. The researcher was slandered publicly by Greg. Greg repeatedly accuses the maintainer of purposefully submitting malicious patches, which he NEVER did. Greg also does so in an extraordinarily insulting way, diminishing the student's skillset, somewhat ironically as the student's research did in fact find bugs in the kernel. The researcher very rightfully responded the way he did - by calling out the slanderous remarks and removing himself from the Linux Kernel, a project that will no longer benefit from his contributions (which, if you bothered to look into, are far better than Greg gave credit for). Greg is very much in the wrong here. He is the one who made repeated false accusations. Please do not continue the very unfortunate attacks against a student who was only trying to submit good-faith patches to the kernel.

HarryHirsch 5y ago
You omitted the fact that Aditya's advisor was Kangjie Lu, who ran the research project with the bogus patches. It would be natural to assume that anything from that general direction would be more of the same.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  I didn't "omit it", it's irrelevant. It obviously would not be natural since it was incorrect, and a natural response would not be to throw blind, incorrect allegations and ridiculous insults due to a suspicion. Greg overreacted. Linus agrees, other kernel maintainers agree. The only person who won't come out and admit it is Greg himself, and his overreaction has cost the kernel a valuable asset as well as the reputation of an innocent researcher, who now gets comments like "they're disgusting" from people who took Greg's accusations at face value.
  - silly-silly 5y ago
    So, there is a code of conduct.. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-condu...
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      Yes, it's a sham, Greg is on the CoC committee.
- dcow 5y ago
  And this justifies slandering another unrelated human how? It might explain the more aggressive jump to an assumption of malice, you are correct, but it sure as hell doesn't justify arbitrary negative actions especially towards another honest human being resulting from such a leap. That's either Greg's fault or Kangjie's fault or some combination but certainly not Aditya's fault and they don't deserve to be treated as sub-human because of simple proximity. That type of reality is not natural and it's not human and it's not the one I live in. Be pissed at the stupid research paper all you want. It doesn't justify treating some tertiary human like utter shit. And for the record nobody is trying to "cancel" Greg or the kernel here. The project is great and Greg is probably a super chill dude on most occasions. But people aren't perfect and fuck up. You can act rashly under stress and later be wrong. That's understandable and that is human. The whole point is how you respond in light of new information. That's the test of character. We don't need to sit here and sweep Greg's BS under the rug because he's a kernel celebrity. I honestly think some form of apology would go a long way to rectifying the slander, and cool down the whole thing and most importantly, might be enough to make Aditya feel welcome again in the community. Greg was wrong, his behavior rash, and the example should not be emulated by others in our community. Period.
nominated1 5y ago
I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot say in this manner. As for attacking people, you’re doing a whole lot more than me, which unlike you, wasn’t my intent.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  > I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot say in this manner. I didn't tell you what to say, I'm pleading with you and everyone else to stop spreading misinformation that is costing an innocent man his reputation. > As for attacking people, you’re doing a whole lot more than me, which unlike you, wasn’t my intent. You called Aditya's response "disgusting".
- dcow 5y ago
  I don't see any attacking. Don't be hysterical. I see a plead to yield to facts and to treat other humans with respect because they're human and they deserve basic respect.