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Yes, let's assassinate a world leader of the country with the most nukes in the world based on unfounded claims of election interference and a hack. Do you hav

by askl56 5y ago

Yes, let's assassinate a world leader of the country with the most nukes in the world based on unfounded claims of election interference and a hack. Do you have any idea what America did in Russia in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union? The 1996 election in Russia which was majorly "interfered" with by Clinton: https://archive.is/R7i5u https://archive.is/R7i5u, not to mention the fact that most Russian hacking activities are done using NSA backdoors which were leaked? I'm surprised and disappointed to see such flagrant ivory tower imperialism on HN.

grosswait 5y ago
Your cited article is interesting but does not support your assertion of major interference IMO. Policy maneuvers for political purposes are the norm for all countries right or wrong.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Really? A government saying that they would ensure no "negative stories would come out", literally puppetting international institutions to pay out money - billions - for an election campaign, sent US Government agents to be embedded into the Yeltsin campaign right as he was violating every law on the books and calling in favours from the mafia and oligarchs, and very likely also used intelligence agencies to help, all of that isn't major interference? But targeted ads are?
  - takeda 5y ago
    I have a family member affected by those "targeted ads" and can tell you this is hardly comparable to news agencies writing favorably or not about someone. Some people are seriously fucked up because of this. Just look what happened on January 6th.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      For the record, I think that both are elections interference. But there's a far cry behind publishing fake news and advertising it to some demographics and fuelling IMF money into campaigns by the billions and embedding foreign advisors into a criminal election campaign.
thyrsus 5y ago
I agree completely that assasination, beyond moral abhorrence, would work out as well as most U.S. foreign policy - horrifically. The last foreign policy success I'm aware of was the Marshall plan. I think it's a mistake to minimize Russian influence, when it suffices to compare the unmitigated disaster of U.S. actions - both government and private sector, and at enormous scale - in post-Soviet Russia.

by askl56 5y ago

grosswait 5y ago

Your cited article is interesting but does not support your assertion of major interference IMO. Policy maneuvers for political purposes are the norm for all countries right or wrong.

sudosysgen 5y ago
Really? A government saying that they would ensure no "negative stories would come out", literally puppetting international institutions to pay out money - billions - for an election campaign, sent US Government agents to be embedded into the Yeltsin campaign right as he was violating every law on the books and calling in favours from the mafia and oligarchs, and very likely also used intelligence agencies to help, all of that isn't major interference? But targeted ads are?
- takeda 5y ago
  I have a family member affected by those "targeted ads" and can tell you this is hardly comparable to news agencies writing favorably or not about someone. Some people are seriously fucked up because of this. Just look what happened on January 6th.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    For the record, I think that both are elections interference. But there's a far cry behind publishing fake news and advertising it to some demographics and fuelling IMF money into campaigns by the billions and embedding foreign advisors into a criminal election campaign.

thyrsus 5y ago

I agree completely that assasination, beyond moral abhorrence, would work out as well as most U.S. foreign policy - horrifically. The last foreign policy success I'm aware of was the Marshall plan. I think it's a mistake to minimize Russian influence, when it suffices to compare the unmitigated disaster of U.S. actions - both government and private sector, and at enormous scale - in post-Soviet Russia.