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Nintendo’s PR department working overtime it seems, given their recent controversies

mttjj 6y ago
‘Recent controversies’. Care to elaborate? I follow Nintendo news pretty religiously and for some reason can’t figure out what you’re talking about.
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- Pfhreak 6y ago
  A couple days back Nintendo was on the front page of HN for threatening people and tailing them, iirc? Also, they've been pretty assertive about DMCA, and they aren't very kind with streamers from what I understand. (Also, they really seem to not be interested in supporting the tournament communities for their games like Smash.)
  - city41 6y ago
    That tailing took place years ago. Nintendo has never been kind to anyone using their IP in ways they don't like. I love Nintendo, but there's no denying they can be very fierce and litigious.
  - NRinc 6y ago
    I asked this a few days ago but did not get any responses... Given that I find myself strongly compelled to stand up to this ridiculous behavior on the part of Nintendo and I have the time and resources to do so ... I am going to purchase, on ebay ... what ? A plain old retail Nintendo Switch ? Then I will send that switch (or two, or three) to ... who ? Let's say I have a budget of USD $10,000 - who can I pay to do original, clean-room reverse engineering of this device ? The goal here would be to publish everything that I can pay people to find. Suggestions ? Who should I be in contact with ?
    - Pfhreak 6y ago
      No clue. And I'm not sure your post even makes sense? Like, what are even hoping to achieve? Aren't modders and the like probably already trying to do what you are trying to do? And why do you think $10k is a significant amount of money to anyone who could achieve what you want done?
      - abnercoimbre 6y ago
        Wait, isn't $10k a seriously meaningful amount to hobbyists? E.g. Cleanly reverse-engineering SM64 was done by clever folks in their spare time.
        adventured 6y ago
        What difference would $10,000 make? That's the primary question. You can buy a decent engineer's spare time for two or three months, if they're being generous about it and particularly want to help. Where would one place $10k that it would meaningfully accelerate reverse engineering the Switch? You either do it for anything but the money, or the money has to be a lot larger than $10k.
      - NRinc 6y ago
        "Like, what are even hoping to achieve?" I am hoping that Nintendo attempts to stop me from doing this.
        tubularhells 6y ago
        That would be via lawyers, not private eyes.
    - moonchild 6y ago
      https://yuzu-emu.org/ https://yuzu-emu.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Enginee...
  - watwut 6y ago
    > Also, they really seem to not be interested in supporting the tournament communities for their games like Smash. In this one in particular, they dont have to be supportive of anything at all. Why would there be an entitlement to get support from them?
    - eredengrin 6y ago
      Calling it lack of support is probably a bit misleading, in reality they are actively undermining the competitive scene by things like shutting down tournaments/streams, preventing outside orgs (eg evo, mlg) from picking up smash, etc. Some of the other commenters gave links which have more details on this. Given the recent events in context of the past 2 decades of nintendo's behaviour, the smash scene would love for nintendo to not be involved at all. There is no entitlement whatsoever for nintendo's support (unless "support" literally just means allowing us to run events with no help of any kind from nintendo other than not shutting it down, in which case it really doesn't strike me as too unreasonable).
- whoisburbansky 6y ago
  I'm assuming OP is referring to the company hiring "stalking" folks hacking their consoles. Previous HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25508782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25508782
  - mttjj 6y ago
    This New Yorker article is dated Dec 20. The tweets from the ‘stalking’ thread were posted Dec 21. Not defending Nintendo for anything here, just pointing out this theoretical ‘PR spin’ timeline doesn’t add up.
    - whoisburbansky 6y ago
      Agreed, I personally don't think this interview had anything to do with trying to put out that fire. Not even really convinced Nintendo cares all that much about the leak, tbh, pretty much nobody I know outside of the HN crowd even heard about it.
- thebean11 6y ago
  They've been extremely letigious towards streamers and pro level melee players. Not sure but guessing that's what OP is referring to.
- eganist 6y ago
  Recent revelations around stalking: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-ext... Recent cancellations of event sponsorships over the use of a hashtag pertaining to Nintendo's actions in a previous event: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-cancels-splatoon-stream-after-teams-show-solid-1845826807 https://kotaku.com/nintendo-cancels-splatoon-stream-after-te... Revelations about past Nintendo activity repeatedly extinguishing Smash events both through strategic and tactical measures, disclosed after The Big House cancellation: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srfu4r https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srfu4r Nintendo cancelling the independently run The Big House event: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-shuts-down-smash-tournament-over-some-absurd-b-1845719656 https://kotaku.com/nintendo-shuts-down-smash-tournament-over... --- "I follow Nintendo news pretty religiously and for some reason can’t figure out what you’re talking about." May I ask which sources you follow? I'm surprised none of these were covered.
sn41 6y ago
That's perhaps true, but it is important to distinguish a gentle creative genius from the company itself.
Cyph0n 6y ago
I think it’s more about the new Nintendo theme park than anything else.
fireattack 6y ago
Speaking about controversies, what are the opinions on Nintendo's "stream ban" happened in Japan? I barely heard anyone talking about it in Western World. (For the unfamiliar: basically, the streamers have to get permissions from Nintendo to stream their games. Some famous streaming groups failed to do so and they had to delete all their VODs involving Nintendo's games after Nintendo's warning. [I assume other game publishers technically/legally can do the same, but I don't see them practice this without causing a huge backlash from the community.])

‘Recent controversies’. Care to elaborate? I follow Nintendo news pretty religiously and for some reason can’t figure out what you’re talking about.

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Pfhreak 6y ago
A couple days back Nintendo was on the front page of HN for threatening people and tailing them, iirc? Also, they've been pretty assertive about DMCA, and they aren't very kind with streamers from what I understand. (Also, they really seem to not be interested in supporting the tournament communities for their games like Smash.)
- city41 6y ago
  That tailing took place years ago. Nintendo has never been kind to anyone using their IP in ways they don't like. I love Nintendo, but there's no denying they can be very fierce and litigious.
- NRinc 6y ago
  I asked this a few days ago but did not get any responses... Given that I find myself strongly compelled to stand up to this ridiculous behavior on the part of Nintendo and I have the time and resources to do so ... I am going to purchase, on ebay ... what ? A plain old retail Nintendo Switch ? Then I will send that switch (or two, or three) to ... who ? Let's say I have a budget of USD $10,000 - who can I pay to do original, clean-room reverse engineering of this device ? The goal here would be to publish everything that I can pay people to find. Suggestions ? Who should I be in contact with ?
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    No clue. And I'm not sure your post even makes sense? Like, what are even hoping to achieve? Aren't modders and the like probably already trying to do what you are trying to do? And why do you think $10k is a significant amount of money to anyone who could achieve what you want done?
    - abnercoimbre 6y ago
      Wait, isn't $10k a seriously meaningful amount to hobbyists? E.g. Cleanly reverse-engineering SM64 was done by clever folks in their spare time.
      - adventured 6y ago
        What difference would $10,000 make? That's the primary question. You can buy a decent engineer's spare time for two or three months, if they're being generous about it and particularly want to help. Where would one place $10k that it would meaningfully accelerate reverse engineering the Switch? You either do it for anything but the money, or the money has to be a lot larger than $10k.
    - NRinc 6y ago
      "Like, what are even hoping to achieve?" I am hoping that Nintendo attempts to stop me from doing this.
      - tubularhells 6y ago
        That would be via lawyers, not private eyes.
  - moonchild 6y ago
    https://yuzu-emu.org/ https://yuzu-emu.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Enginee...
- watwut 6y ago
  > Also, they really seem to not be interested in supporting the tournament communities for their games like Smash. In this one in particular, they dont have to be supportive of anything at all. Why would there be an entitlement to get support from them?
  - eredengrin 6y ago
    Calling it lack of support is probably a bit misleading, in reality they are actively undermining the competitive scene by things like shutting down tournaments/streams, preventing outside orgs (eg evo, mlg) from picking up smash, etc. Some of the other commenters gave links which have more details on this. Given the recent events in context of the past 2 decades of nintendo's behaviour, the smash scene would love for nintendo to not be involved at all. There is no entitlement whatsoever for nintendo's support (unless "support" literally just means allowing us to run events with no help of any kind from nintendo other than not shutting it down, in which case it really doesn't strike me as too unreasonable).
whoisburbansky 6y ago
I'm assuming OP is referring to the company hiring "stalking" folks hacking their consoles. Previous HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25508782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25508782
- mttjj 6y ago
  This New Yorker article is dated Dec 20. The tweets from the ‘stalking’ thread were posted Dec 21. Not defending Nintendo for anything here, just pointing out this theoretical ‘PR spin’ timeline doesn’t add up.
  - whoisburbansky 6y ago
    Agreed, I personally don't think this interview had anything to do with trying to put out that fire. Not even really convinced Nintendo cares all that much about the leak, tbh, pretty much nobody I know outside of the HN crowd even heard about it.
thebean11 6y ago
They've been extremely letigious towards streamers and pro level melee players. Not sure but guessing that's what OP is referring to.
eganist 6y ago
Recent revelations around stalking: https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-extreme-measures-taken-to-track-hackers https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/nintendo-leak-reveals-ext... Recent cancellations of event sponsorships over the use of a hashtag pertaining to Nintendo's actions in a previous event: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-cancels-splatoon-stream-after-teams-show-solid-1845826807 https://kotaku.com/nintendo-cancels-splatoon-stream-after-te... Revelations about past Nintendo activity repeatedly extinguishing Smash events both through strategic and tactical measures, disclosed after The Big House cancellation: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srfu4r https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srfu4r Nintendo cancelling the independently run The Big House event: https://kotaku.com/nintendo-shuts-down-smash-tournament-over-some-absurd-b-1845719656 https://kotaku.com/nintendo-shuts-down-smash-tournament-over... --- "I follow Nintendo news pretty religiously and for some reason can’t figure out what you’re talking about." May I ask which sources you follow? I'm surprised none of these were covered.

sn41 6y ago

That's perhaps true, but it is important to distinguish a gentle creative genius from the company itself.

Cyph0n 6y ago

I think it’s more about the new Nintendo theme park than anything else.

fireattack 6y ago

Speaking about controversies, what are the opinions on Nintendo's "stream ban" happened in Japan? I barely heard anyone talking about it in Western World. (For the unfamiliar: basically, the streamers have to get permissions from Nintendo to stream their games. Some famous streaming groups failed to do so and they had to delete all their VODs involving Nintendo's games after Nintendo's warning. [I assume other game publishers technically/legally can do the same, but I don't see them practice this without causing a huge backlash from the community.])