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A little too late now isn't it? Even if they were going to kick Hungary out of the EU, Orban would be an idiot to give up that power.

by jrs95 6y ago

xiphias2 6y ago
As a Hungarian, it would be devastating for our country if EU kicked Hungary out. Also EU understands it that the government doesn't represent the will people, as there was a huge amount of vote manipulation. The better solution is to just stop sending EU money to Orban (which he used to buy up all the media and gain this power) and send money to the cities and projects directly.
- core-questions 6y ago
  From the outside it really seems like Orban is doing a good job defending his people from all sorts of onslaughts. Is that not the case? Would you have preferred to have a weaker leader, and open borders all this time?
  - soylentcola 6y ago
    I'm not Hungarian (but I live with one ;)). It seems that (much like in the west) the issue of "onslaughts" prevented by heavy restrictions on migration is one perspective. Another might see it as using the threat of outsiders/foreigners to consolidate power by the administration. Certainly controversial issues, but hardly ones that are obvious or settled.
  - riffraff 6y ago
    there isn't, and never was, any sort of onslaught. There are manufactured fears that "millions of people will come to hungary from africa", that rich jews will set up a dictatorship in hungary, and that the EU will somehow impose itself over the parliament. None of this has any foundation in reality.
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    Most of the migrants who came to Hungary preferred to go to Germany, as the income taxes in Hungary are the highest inside the EU. Budapest is an amazing city to live in as long as you don't earn your money there. The biggest problem for me though weren't his leadership decinsions, but the amount of corruption happening. Hungary lost many places in the Corruption Perceptions Index in the last 10 years, while its surrounding countries got much better.
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chx 6y ago
Here's the fun part: they can't kick anyone out. It's not built into the Lisbon Treaty. There's no provision for that. You can withdraw as the UK did but that's all. The remaining countries would need to draw up a new treaty without the country to be kicked out and face probably an endless torrent of lawsuits if they terminate the Lisbon Treaty.
- gruez 6y ago
  >and face probably an endless torrent of lawsuits if they terminate the Lisbon Treaty. On what grounds?

A little too late now isn't it? Even if they were going to kick Hungary out of the EU, Orban would be an idiot to give up that power.

by jrs95 6y ago

A little too late now isn't it? Even if they were going to kick Hungary out of the EU, Orban would be an idiot to give up that power.

xiphias2 6y ago

As a Hungarian, it would be devastating for our country if EU kicked Hungary out. Also EU understands it that the government doesn't represent the will people, as there was a huge amount of vote manipulation. The better solution is to just stop sending EU money to Orban (which he used to buy up all the media and gain this power) and send money to the cities and projects directly.

core-questions 6y ago
From the outside it really seems like Orban is doing a good job defending his people from all sorts of onslaughts. Is that not the case? Would you have preferred to have a weaker leader, and open borders all this time?
- soylentcola 6y ago
  I'm not Hungarian (but I live with one ;)). It seems that (much like in the west) the issue of "onslaughts" prevented by heavy restrictions on migration is one perspective. Another might see it as using the threat of outsiders/foreigners to consolidate power by the administration. Certainly controversial issues, but hardly ones that are obvious or settled.
- riffraff 6y ago
  there isn't, and never was, any sort of onslaught. There are manufactured fears that "millions of people will come to hungary from africa", that rich jews will set up a dictatorship in hungary, and that the EU will somehow impose itself over the parliament. None of this has any foundation in reality.
- xiphias2 6y ago
  Most of the migrants who came to Hungary preferred to go to Germany, as the income taxes in Hungary are the highest inside the EU. Budapest is an amazing city to live in as long as you don't earn your money there. The biggest problem for me though weren't his leadership decinsions, but the amount of corruption happening. Hungary lost many places in the Corruption Perceptions Index in the last 10 years, while its surrounding countries got much better.
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chx 6y ago

Here's the fun part: they can't kick anyone out. It's not built into the Lisbon Treaty. There's no provision for that. You can withdraw as the UK did but that's all. The remaining countries would need to draw up a new treaty without the country to be kicked out and face probably an endless torrent of lawsuits if they terminate the Lisbon Treaty.

gruez 6y ago
>and face probably an endless torrent of lawsuits if they terminate the Lisbon Treaty. On what grounds?