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Honestly, think they stand a pretty good chance in making it successful, especially considering how good their domestic home appliance capabilities has become.

Honestly, think they stand a pretty good chance in making it successful, especially considering how good their domestic home appliance capabilities has become. Different things, but atleast the embedded systems/electrical engineering talent is there.

burakcosk 7y ago
I'm from Turkey, this is just a show for always upcoming elections. Best engineers in Turkey already left the ship, and the remaining is looking for a way out
- m00dy 7y ago
  Hey, I'm a Turk left the ship 6 years ago. Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply. I'm also sure the remaining can handle this.
  - duxup 7y ago
    "Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply" That seems unlikely.
    - ReptileMan 7y ago
      7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize. And building everyday cars is somewhat easy compared to the aerospace, weapons, nuclear reactors or big dams/bridges/tunnels - you don't push neither material science nor laws of physics to the limit.
      - cosmodisk 7y ago
        With all its engineering mighty it can't even produce quality appliances (BEKO) and we are talking about cars here.As someone commented here, it all looks great on paper but as soon as you start making it, you realise it ain't that easy.
        yalph 7y ago
        I dont know what you are talking about. Arcelik for example produces much better quality appliances than most its US competitors. But this fact does not fit your narrative I guess.
        smabie 7y ago
        How do you know?
        yalph 7y ago
        I use them everyday.
        cosmodisk 7y ago
        I'm not an American so couldn't care less about the quality of their manufacturers. On the other hand, I do know that Beko,owned by Arcelik, manufacture pretty poor quality products.
        coverband 7y ago
        I seriously doubt that... The most expensive set of high quality appliances sold in the U.S. like Thermador and Bosch are manufactured in Turkey.
        teleforce 7y ago
        Turkey has its own home grown aerospace industry that is an order of magnitude complexity than building a CAR [1]. IMHO they will do fine me think. [1]https://www.tusas.com/en https://www.tusas.com/en
      - jaakl 7y ago
        The country can also kill most of their talent psychologically, if not physically and force best to exile, with mix of repressive politics, military, no freedom s etc. There seems to be correlation of freedom in a country and innovation success.
        xenospn 7y ago
        Unless you count the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, which out-engineered the west for decades.
        deleted 7y ago
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        jaakl 7y ago
        Well I lived in SU for 15 years. There was joke that the Party declared that “in next 5 years we will catch US”. Smarter ones told “lets catch, but no bypass”. “Why not bypass also?” “Then they will see our naked ass”. Totally true. Most of economy was invested to military and this was only area with some world-class tech, and even that was often fake and/or with human sacrifices never published
        new2628 7y ago
        The SU had a program of requiring world-class mathematicians (Kolmogorov, Arnold, Gelfand), physicists, etc. to teach one year in high school, and to think about the curriculum, and possibly write textbooks. Some of these were available in English via MIR publishers. Some of these books are unique moments in the history of mankind. The science education in SU trickled down throughout eastern europe. Indirectly this school of thought has been responsible for some of the best science and engineering in the world, sadly, mostly outside of the place that originated it.
        xenospn 7y ago
        I lived in Israel when all of the soviet Jews emigrated in the late 80's/early 90's. One of them got a job alongside my dad, who was an engineer, and they went on a business trip to the US together. When he came back, he said that if they "turned off the US and locked the door", it should still take Russia over 100 years to catch up. However, during the early days of the space race, there was literally nothing the US could do to catch up with the Soviet Union space program. Their best hope was a former Nazi engineer.
      - unlinked_dll 7y ago
        Regressive fascists don’t tend to reach their potential engineering quality. Take that number. Subtract all women and Kurds, people who speak critically of the government. Adjust for the academics held as political prisoners and brain drained talent. That’s your engineering base. You can’t square the engineering circle when your government is actively engaged in repressing the population.
        rth 7y ago
        Bullshit! I know Turkey had a Kurdish president as well as many kurdish senators in parliament. Some member of opposition party some members of Erdogan's party. I know some cities have Arabic people more than Kurdish in east of Turkey. The problem historical, needs to be closed for the sake of the citizens.
        new2628 7y ago
        Why subtract women? I'm quite sure that women participation in engineering studies is higher than in most (all) western nations.
        ReptileMan 7y ago
        File that under "Not even wrong" Women in Turkey are allowed to study and participate active in the economy. Ditto with Kurds. The purges of academics were mostly in humanities. There are a shitload of tensions between the white and black turks, between turks and kurds, erdogan is hardly the most pleasant person in the world and has lots of enemies, with the slowing economy country imploding at some point is not unthinkable, but so far the day to day life in Turkey is chugging along just fine.
        unlinked_dll 7y ago
        For now.
        squilliam 7y ago
        German engineers during WWII seems to refute this claim. History shows that talented engineers drafted machines of mass murder with smile, as long as it would fund their departments and I'm sure there were other considerations in their decision to comply as well.
      - smabie 7y ago
        7m? I guess most African countries are just choke full of engineers, way more than they can utilize. Of course, having moved to one of these countries, all real construction is done by the Chinese.
      - ailideex 7y ago
        > 7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize. South Africa has more than 50,000,000 - still can't build coal power plants without mucking it up. So ... not sure why you think what you think.
      - Aperocky 7y ago
        That's actually untrue, building a consumer vehicle _profitably_ is much harder than building a nuke or other weapons. Weapons just need to work, a consumer vehicle need to be cost effective, your 80s style Soviet radas are not going to sell at all despite relative ease of production.
  - csunbird 7y ago
    quantity != quality
  - DethNinja 7y ago
    An anecdote: All the exceptionally talented engineers that I know already left the country (That is like 5 of my friends) and found very lucrative jobs on various European countries. Not only that but not so exceptionally talented engineers that I know also managed to leave the country. Each week I tend to get so many messages on LinkedIn from engineers in Turkey that want to leave the country... Funny thing is some of these engineers were actually very nationalistic but even they couldn’t take how the ruling party and Erdogan governs Turkey. So yeah, personally I wouldn’t bet much money on engineers that are currently staying in Turkey.
A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
I am saying this as a spectator observing politics in the region. I don't want to undermine the PR value of this announcement, but Turkey appears to have capability to pull this off. Now if you said Poland..

burakcosk 7y ago

I'm from Turkey, this is just a show for always upcoming elections. Best engineers in Turkey already left the ship, and the remaining is looking for a way out

m00dy 7y ago
Hey, I'm a Turk left the ship 6 years ago. Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply. I'm also sure the remaining can handle this.
- duxup 7y ago
  "Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply" That seems unlikely.
  - ReptileMan 7y ago
    7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize. And building everyday cars is somewhat easy compared to the aerospace, weapons, nuclear reactors or big dams/bridges/tunnels - you don't push neither material science nor laws of physics to the limit.
    - cosmodisk 7y ago
      With all its engineering mighty it can't even produce quality appliances (BEKO) and we are talking about cars here.As someone commented here, it all looks great on paper but as soon as you start making it, you realise it ain't that easy.
      - yalph 7y ago
        I dont know what you are talking about. Arcelik for example produces much better quality appliances than most its US competitors. But this fact does not fit your narrative I guess.
        smabie 7y ago
        How do you know?
        yalph 7y ago
        I use them everyday.
        cosmodisk 7y ago
        I'm not an American so couldn't care less about the quality of their manufacturers. On the other hand, I do know that Beko,owned by Arcelik, manufacture pretty poor quality products.
        coverband 7y ago
        I seriously doubt that... The most expensive set of high quality appliances sold in the U.S. like Thermador and Bosch are manufactured in Turkey.
      - teleforce 7y ago
        Turkey has its own home grown aerospace industry that is an order of magnitude complexity than building a CAR [1]. IMHO they will do fine me think. [1]https://www.tusas.com/en https://www.tusas.com/en
    - jaakl 7y ago
      The country can also kill most of their talent psychologically, if not physically and force best to exile, with mix of repressive politics, military, no freedom s etc. There seems to be correlation of freedom in a country and innovation success.
      - xenospn 7y ago
        Unless you count the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, which out-engineered the west for decades.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
        jaakl 7y ago
        Well I lived in SU for 15 years. There was joke that the Party declared that “in next 5 years we will catch US”. Smarter ones told “lets catch, but no bypass”. “Why not bypass also?” “Then they will see our naked ass”. Totally true. Most of economy was invested to military and this was only area with some world-class tech, and even that was often fake and/or with human sacrifices never published
        new2628 7y ago
        The SU had a program of requiring world-class mathematicians (Kolmogorov, Arnold, Gelfand), physicists, etc. to teach one year in high school, and to think about the curriculum, and possibly write textbooks. Some of these were available in English via MIR publishers. Some of these books are unique moments in the history of mankind. The science education in SU trickled down throughout eastern europe. Indirectly this school of thought has been responsible for some of the best science and engineering in the world, sadly, mostly outside of the place that originated it.
        xenospn 7y ago
        I lived in Israel when all of the soviet Jews emigrated in the late 80's/early 90's. One of them got a job alongside my dad, who was an engineer, and they went on a business trip to the US together. When he came back, he said that if they "turned off the US and locked the door", it should still take Russia over 100 years to catch up. However, during the early days of the space race, there was literally nothing the US could do to catch up with the Soviet Union space program. Their best hope was a former Nazi engineer.
    - unlinked_dll 7y ago
      Regressive fascists don’t tend to reach their potential engineering quality. Take that number. Subtract all women and Kurds, people who speak critically of the government. Adjust for the academics held as political prisoners and brain drained talent. That’s your engineering base. You can’t square the engineering circle when your government is actively engaged in repressing the population.
      - rth 7y ago
        Bullshit! I know Turkey had a Kurdish president as well as many kurdish senators in parliament. Some member of opposition party some members of Erdogan's party. I know some cities have Arabic people more than Kurdish in east of Turkey. The problem historical, needs to be closed for the sake of the citizens.
      - new2628 7y ago
        Why subtract women? I'm quite sure that women participation in engineering studies is higher than in most (all) western nations.
      - ReptileMan 7y ago
        File that under "Not even wrong" Women in Turkey are allowed to study and participate active in the economy. Ditto with Kurds. The purges of academics were mostly in humanities. There are a shitload of tensions between the white and black turks, between turks and kurds, erdogan is hardly the most pleasant person in the world and has lots of enemies, with the slowing economy country imploding at some point is not unthinkable, but so far the day to day life in Turkey is chugging along just fine.
        unlinked_dll 7y ago
        For now.
      - squilliam 7y ago
        German engineers during WWII seems to refute this claim. History shows that talented engineers drafted machines of mass murder with smile, as long as it would fund their departments and I'm sure there were other considerations in their decision to comply as well.
    - smabie 7y ago
      7m? I guess most African countries are just choke full of engineers, way more than they can utilize. Of course, having moved to one of these countries, all real construction is done by the Chinese.
    - ailideex 7y ago
      > 7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize. South Africa has more than 50,000,000 - still can't build coal power plants without mucking it up. So ... not sure why you think what you think.
    - Aperocky 7y ago
      That's actually untrue, building a consumer vehicle _profitably_ is much harder than building a nuke or other weapons. Weapons just need to work, a consumer vehicle need to be cost effective, your 80s style Soviet radas are not going to sell at all despite relative ease of production.
- csunbird 7y ago
  quantity != quality
- DethNinja 7y ago
  An anecdote: All the exceptionally talented engineers that I know already left the country (That is like 5 of my friends) and found very lucrative jobs on various European countries. Not only that but not so exceptionally talented engineers that I know also managed to leave the country. Each week I tend to get so many messages on LinkedIn from engineers in Turkey that want to leave the country... Funny thing is some of these engineers were actually very nationalistic but even they couldn’t take how the ruling party and Erdogan governs Turkey. So yeah, personally I wouldn’t bet much money on engineers that are currently staying in Turkey.

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago

I am saying this as a spectator observing politics in the region. I don't want to undermine the PR value of this announcement, but Turkey appears to have capability to pull this off. Now if you said Poland..