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I can totally stand behind this idea. It’s way more equal than money. Every single person get 24 hours a day, but not everybody has €200 (or however high the fe
by Bilters 7y ago
I can totally stand behind this idea. It’s way more equal than money. Every single person get 24 hours a day, but not everybody has €200 (or however high the fee may be) free at hand. Although I think there should be still an upper limit. Saying if you speed more than X there’s more consequences involved rather than time and/ or money.
- toxicFork 7y agoThe other dimension, space. They will take away a room of your house.
- Spare_account 7y agoI know you're joking, but removal of space already exists in the form of incarceration (limiting the space you're allowed to roam within).
- sunir 7y agoWhy be so classical? We could also lower your probabilities or increase your improbabilities.
- toxicFork 7y agoBut then I would get a lottery ticket
- Hamuko 7y agoWe Finns have figured out how to equalise the money part as well. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland-home-of-the-103000-speeding-ticket/387484/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/03/finland...
- ramblerman 7y agoA progressive tax is a nice start, albeit less original. The problem is some extremely rich folk don't necessarily have a high salary. Punishing with micro-timeouts like this is much more interesting imo.
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- Escapado 7y agoI would like that in Germany too. Here it's fixed but if you get caught speeding beyond a threshold your driver's license gets suspended we also get points and with a certain amount of points you are not allowed to drive anymore at all.
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- kranner 7y agoThe article addresses that. Apparently Estonians consider Finland's system inferior to theirs. > Estonians have praised the idea for being more egalitarian—monetary fines are not adjusted according to income, as in neighbouring Finland, but everyone has the same number of hours in the day
- jacobush 7y agoOk, so here is the diplomatic Swede interfering in the affairs of others: why not combine the two? Pay a progressive fine or wait by the roadside.
- kranner 7y agoI have a feeling that a certain class of rich person would be much more bothered by being made to wait than just paying a large fine.
- Hamuko 7y agoDoes that matter? There's also a certain class of rich person that would not want to pay 50,000 euros for speeding.
- filoeleven 7y agoThey’re probably correlated with the highest incomes, so the result of them choosing to pay is a lot of extra revenue for the police (or whoever the fines go to). This could be seen as an advantage.
- minikites 7y agoPeople in the USA who are money-poor are often time-poor as well, so this may still unfairly impact the poor. I'm not sure how true that is for Estonia.
- loeg 7y agoIf you give people a choice, the super wealthy mostly will pay a relatively small fee and go about their day, and you'll end up temporarily incarcerating the very poor for the same social malfeasance. (With some distribution of behaviors in the middle.) Is that better? The main cost of a traffic ticket today isn't the ticket; it's the (much larger) uptick in insurance costs afterwards. If you could just pay $80-120 on the off chance you occasionally got a ticket, without impacting insurance premiums, I'd speed a lot more often.
- fyfy18 7y agoAt least where I am in Europe, insurance premiums and speeding tickets are completely separate. It makes sense that people who get caught have to pay higher premiums though, as I assume they are more likely to be involved in accidents.
- Merrill 7y agoTickets for all violations result in points. Speeding points depend on the amount over the limit. Total points in last 3 years are one factor that goes into insurance pricing. It's a social anti-credit system.
- wjnc 7y agoIt is a little dream of mine to mine videos for crazy traffic behavior and sell the license plate numbers to insurers. Should be pretty simple, the uploaders even do the tagging for you. How to do that while complying with GDPR is a little nugget to be solved. I'd need a method for take down and a method for checking the vehicle hasn't been sold (that's public at least).
- 14 7y agoYes perhaps but we don't all get to spend that 24 hours equally in a day so is it really fair? A poor person may have to work 2 jobs at minimum wage and still barely get by working 16 hour days. This person already has to spend most of their day working. Now for the person making millions off investments literally making making money while they sleep and only has to work 8 hours a day is it really the same for these 2 people to take a 1 hour time out? The only way I can see this system work would be ever increasing time frames each time you get pulled over and since people can't spend 8 hours on the side of the highway with no bathroom or food, they should just make people come sit in a classroom where they could also educate on the dangers of speeding. As a person who struggles with sleep, I am on a regular basis pulling over on the side of the read for a half hour to catch some sleep. This would hardly be a punishment for me and I would not be deterred from doing it again. Make it several hours long, cut the internet and then we are getting somewhere.
- llampx 7y agoAh yes, the hypothetical poor person who works 16 hour days, at 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs, can not afford public transport or a car, and depending on what's being debated, doesn't have time, money or mental faculties to register for a particular service that's being talked about (most often a picture ID). also known as, a strawman.
- burntwater 7y agoHow is this a hypothetical person?
- ddingus 7y agoThere are millions of these people.
- tybit 7y agoThe suggestion isn’t that every poor person suffers all of these, it’s that many suffer from a few. Any punishment will likely affect a subset of those people much more than everyone else.
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- andrepd 7y agoConversely, for some people 200€ is peanuts, money that can throw away without a second thought. For them, it's not a deterrent.
- pkulak 7y agoExcept that you're not repaying the cost to society. At the very least, you owe for the time the police had to spend to catch you. At most, for the endangerment of those around you. A "time out" is just a waste. Just make fines progressive.
- Daishiman 7y agoI doubt that small speeding fines do more than pay for themselves. You need a bureaucracy in place for fine payment, fines can end up getting contested in court at a huge cost, etc.
- pkulak 7y agoEntire cities fund themselves with speeding tickets: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/18/771371881/episode-945-the-liberty-city https://www.npr.org/2019/10/18/771371881/episode-945-the-lib...