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Paul Graham's Hackers and Painters is $9.49 on O'Reilly's deal of the day.

41 points by nickcharlton 16y ago

thedjpetersen 16y ago
Just finished this book a few weeks ago. It was very interesting, especially the chapter on wealth, where he introduces that wealth does not equal money, but rather wealth equals something that people want.
barnaby 16y ago
It's a good book. Your library probably has it for free (SF library does, and the waiting list for it generally isn't too bad).
nickcharlton 16y ago
...with code: "DDHPT"[1]. [1]: https://twitter.com/#!/oreillymedia/status/21836062456283136 https://twitter.com/#!/oreillymedia/status/21836062456283136
- jaekwon 16y ago
  FYI this appears to be for the ebook edition.
  - nickcharlton 16y ago
    Indeed. They do something similar everday weekday.
foljs 16y ago
It's worth every discount!
draz 16y ago
can anyone speak of the value of getting a 6-7 year old technology-related book (aside from reminiscing about this and that)? Are readers of HN really the audience for this book (people who, at least in theory, are do-ers, go getters, etc)? I'm asking not to be the villan of this post, but simply because I haven't read the book and am wondering whether it's worth the read. So, input is appreciated!
- nkassis 16y ago
  Most of the content is timeless I believe, mostly philosophical ideas. A lot of it is the same as what can be found in Paul Graham's essays on his website but I think the book is a good read nonetheless. I've read it about 2 times by now (when I found it around 05-06, and just this year) and would recommend it.
- gsivil 16y ago
  This book is not about technologies that tend to fade away fast, and it would becoming irrelevant in a few years. It is mostly about the idea of hacking, connections of this let's call it state of mind to other activities. This book has a number of what is known as PG essays. One of the almost timeless of those about the language for the next hundred years is there. [EDIT: reading that book brought me here. Never regretted that]
- yesno 16y ago
  The content of the book came from his essays (posted on his website). Whether it is worth or not, it depends on how you define worth. I used to buy the hype cycle out of recommended books by "the internet" (reddit, HN, blogs, etc), for example: the tipping point, wisdom of the crowd, paradox of less, this book, get things done, etc. But then I figured out that I want to (and should) do my own thing, not to follow someone else's lead. I sold mine last month and am now trying to get rid the other books as well. Keep in mind that while it is 6 years old, most of the content are "concepts" of various topics from startups, competition, hackers/recruiting, etc.
  - Uchikoma 16y ago
    I also (same book lineup as you and 4 hour week, Godin stuff, those other bad books from Gladwell, yes all of them, I still like Black Swan) came to the conclusion those hype cycle blogosphere books are not for me and only distract.
    - yesno 16y ago
      They do indeed. Funny though, I was cleaning up my bookshelves 2 days ago and I stumbled upon old books "Software Engineering in UNIX/C Environment" (1991)[Honest: I copied the book from my university library before I graduated a few years ago] and "The Greatest Secret in the World" (1997). I browsed found interesting information. For example: SE in UNIX/C Env book mentioned Unit, System, Integration, and Acceptance Testing. Just like those Agilist/Scrum books are doing these days. Og Mandino book is sort of self-help book that seems a combination of a few recent self-help books. They're both thin and easy to read. I suppose I would believe reviews about old books than newer books from now on.
CrazedGeek 16y ago
Alternatively, if you want to buy it from Amazon for whatever reason, it's $9.99: http://amzn.com/B0026OR2NQ http://amzn.com/B0026OR2NQ
- gnubardt 16y ago
  That's for the kindle version, but the paperback edition is $11 [1]. [1]: http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Painters-Big-Ideas-Computer/dp/1449389554/ref=tmm_pap_title_0 http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Painters-Big-Ideas-Computer/dp...
  - defroost 16y ago
    So you save a whole dollar and 51 cents. Big deal. I'd just as soon order it from Amazon, who in general has much better prices than direct from O'Reilly.
    - araneae 16y ago
      I would rather order it from anyone but Amazon, who has been started removing "offensive" books from the Kindle store left and right.
      - grinich 16y ago
        Citation?
        araneae 16y ago
        Two blog posts from affected authors: This first one was on HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2007395 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2007395 Another: http://jamthecat.blogspot.com/2010/12/boycott-amazoncom.html http://jamthecat.blogspot.com/2010/12/boycott-amazoncom.html
        puredemo 16y ago
coreyrecvlohe 16y ago
Excellent text, eloquent argument that takes to task the modern notion of entrepreneurship and what it means for today's innovators. I really enjoyed reading the parts that called on developers to challenge old players in new markets; inspiring stuff.
visakhcr 16y ago
I found the entire book in scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/47180/Paul-Graham-Hackers-And-Painters http://www.scribd.com/doc/47180/Paul-Graham-Hackers-And-Pain...
wakeup 16y ago
I read an article by a painter once and he said PG is full of shit when it comes to painting. I believed him.

41 points by nickcharlton 16y ago

Just finished this book a few weeks ago. It was very interesting, especially the chapter on wealth, where he introduces that wealth does not equal money, but rather wealth equals something that people want.

barnaby 16y ago

It's a good book. Your library probably has it for free (SF library does, and the waiting list for it generally isn't too bad).

nickcharlton 16y ago

...with code: "DDHPT"[1]. [1]: https://twitter.com/#!/oreillymedia/status/21836062456283136 https://twitter.com/#!/oreillymedia/status/21836062456283136

jaekwon 16y ago
FYI this appears to be for the ebook edition.
- nickcharlton 16y ago
  Indeed. They do something similar everday weekday.

foljs 16y ago

It's worth every discount!

draz 16y ago

can anyone speak of the value of getting a 6-7 year old technology-related book (aside from reminiscing about this and that)? Are readers of HN really the audience for this book (people who, at least in theory, are do-ers, go getters, etc)? I'm asking not to be the villan of this post, but simply because I haven't read the book and am wondering whether it's worth the read. So, input is appreciated!

nkassis 16y ago
Most of the content is timeless I believe, mostly philosophical ideas. A lot of it is the same as what can be found in Paul Graham's essays on his website but I think the book is a good read nonetheless. I've read it about 2 times by now (when I found it around 05-06, and just this year) and would recommend it.
gsivil 16y ago
This book is not about technologies that tend to fade away fast, and it would becoming irrelevant in a few years. It is mostly about the idea of hacking, connections of this let's call it state of mind to other activities. This book has a number of what is known as PG essays. One of the almost timeless of those about the language for the next hundred years is there. [EDIT: reading that book brought me here. Never regretted that]
yesno 16y ago
The content of the book came from his essays (posted on his website). Whether it is worth or not, it depends on how you define worth. I used to buy the hype cycle out of recommended books by "the internet" (reddit, HN, blogs, etc), for example: the tipping point, wisdom of the crowd, paradox of less, this book, get things done, etc. But then I figured out that I want to (and should) do my own thing, not to follow someone else's lead. I sold mine last month and am now trying to get rid the other books as well. Keep in mind that while it is 6 years old, most of the content are "concepts" of various topics from startups, competition, hackers/recruiting, etc.
- Uchikoma 16y ago
  I also (same book lineup as you and 4 hour week, Godin stuff, those other bad books from Gladwell, yes all of them, I still like Black Swan) came to the conclusion those hype cycle blogosphere books are not for me and only distract.
  - yesno 16y ago
    They do indeed. Funny though, I was cleaning up my bookshelves 2 days ago and I stumbled upon old books "Software Engineering in UNIX/C Environment" (1991)[Honest: I copied the book from my university library before I graduated a few years ago] and "The Greatest Secret in the World" (1997). I browsed found interesting information. For example: SE in UNIX/C Env book mentioned Unit, System, Integration, and Acceptance Testing. Just like those Agilist/Scrum books are doing these days. Og Mandino book is sort of self-help book that seems a combination of a few recent self-help books. They're both thin and easy to read. I suppose I would believe reviews about old books than newer books from now on.

CrazedGeek 16y ago

Alternatively, if you want to buy it from Amazon for whatever reason, it's $9.99: http://amzn.com/B0026OR2NQ http://amzn.com/B0026OR2NQ

gnubardt 16y ago
That's for the kindle version, but the paperback edition is $11 [1]. [1]: http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Painters-Big-Ideas-Computer/dp/1449389554/ref=tmm_pap_title_0 http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Painters-Big-Ideas-Computer/dp...
- defroost 16y ago
  So you save a whole dollar and 51 cents. Big deal. I'd just as soon order it from Amazon, who in general has much better prices than direct from O'Reilly.
  - araneae 16y ago
    I would rather order it from anyone but Amazon, who has been started removing "offensive" books from the Kindle store left and right.
    - grinich 16y ago
      Citation?
      - araneae 16y ago
        Two blog posts from affected authors: This first one was on HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2007395 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2007395 Another: http://jamthecat.blogspot.com/2010/12/boycott-amazoncom.html http://jamthecat.blogspot.com/2010/12/boycott-amazoncom.html
        puredemo 16y ago

coreyrecvlohe 16y ago

Excellent text, eloquent argument that takes to task the modern notion of entrepreneurship and what it means for today's innovators. I really enjoyed reading the parts that called on developers to challenge old players in new markets; inspiring stuff.

visakhcr 16y ago

I found the entire book in scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/47180/Paul-Graham-Hackers-And-Painters http://www.scribd.com/doc/47180/Paul-Graham-Hackers-And-Pain...

wakeup 16y ago

I read an article by a painter once and he said PG is full of shit when it comes to painting. I believed him.