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>nothing is lost except time
by SmokeGS 7y ago
>nothing is lost
except time
- sdan 7y agoand a nice Sunday afternoon
- toomuchtodo 7y agoAnd the illusion of superiority over non cloud offerings.
- k__ 7y agoHow come?
- toomuchtodo 7y agoThere are some whole argue that the resiliency of cloud providers beats on prem or self hosted, and yet they’re down just as much or more (GCP, Azure, and AWS all the same). Don’t take my word for it; search HN for “$provider is down” and observe the frequency of occurrences. You want velocity for your dev team? You get that. You want better uptime? Your expectations are gonna have a bad time. No need for rapid dev or bursty workloads? You’re lighting money on fire. Disclaimer: I get paid to move clients to or from the cloud, everyone’s money is green. Opinion above is my own.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoSolutions based on third-party butts have essentially two modes: the usual, where everything is smooth, and the bad one, where nothing works and you're shit out of luck - you can't get to your data anymore, because it's in my butt, accessible only through that butt, and arguably not even your data. With on-prem solutions, you can at least access the physical servers and get your data out to carry on with your day while the infrastructure gets fixed.
- hinkley 7y agoTook me a second. I didn’t know the cloud-to-butt translator worked on comments too. I forgot that was even a thing.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoI keep forgetting that I have it on, my brain treats the two words as identical at this point. The translator has this property, which I also tend to forget about, that it will substitute words in your HN comment if you edit it. But yeah, it's still a thing, and the message behind it isn't any less current.
- crankylinuxuser 7y agoThere is a cloud I've developed that is secure and isn't a butt :P https://hackaday.io/project/12985-multisite-homeofficehackerspace-automation https://hackaday.io/project/12985-multisite-homeofficehacker... I made IoT using cheap (arduino, nrf24l01+, sensors/actuators) for local device telemetry, MQTT, node-red, and Tor for connecting clouds of endpoints that aren't local. Long story short, its an IoT that is secure, consisting of a cloud of devices only you own. Oh yeah, and GPL3 to boot.
- trevyn 7y agoOh that’s weird, because it totally worked for me with “butts” as a euphemism for “people”, as in “butt-in-seat time” — relying on a third-party service is essentially relying on third party butts (i.e. people), and your data is only accessible through those people, whom you don’t control. And then “your data is in my butt” was just a play on that.
- chupasaurus 7y agoAny solution would be based on third parties, the robust solution is either to run your own country with fuel sources for electricity and army to defend the datacenters or rely on multiple independent infrastructures. I think the latter is less complex.
- PerfectElement 7y agoThe small bare metal hosting company I use for some projects hardly goes down, and when there is an issue, I can actually get a human being on the phone in 2 minutes. Plus, a bare metal server with tons of RAM costs less than a small VM on the big cloud providers.
- bmelton 7y agoCare to name names? I've been looking for a small, cheap failover for a moderately low traffic app.
- chucky_z 7y agoIn the US I use Hivelocity. If you want cheapest possible, Hetzner/OVH have deals you can get for _cheap._
- Moru 7y agoYou weren't kidding, 1:10 ratio to what we pay for similar VPS. And guaranteed worldwide lowest price on one of them. Except we get free bandwidth with ours.
- bmelton 7y agoThanks a million. Those prices look similar to what I've used in the past, it's just been a long time since I've gone shopping for small scale dedicated hosting.
- LoSboccacc 7y agoI've a question that always stopped me going that route, what happens when a disk or other hardware fails on these servers? beyond data loss I mean, like physically what happens who carries out the repair how long does it takes
- chucky_z 7y agoMost bare metal providers nowadays contact you just like AWS and say "hey your hardware is failing get a new box.". Unless it's something exotic it's usually not long for setup time, and in some cases just like a VM it's online in a minute or two.
- hinkley 7y agoI keep trying to explain to people that our customers don’t care that there is someone to blame they just want their shit to work. There are advantages to having autonomy when things break. There’s a fine line or at least some subtlety here though. This leads to some interesting conversations when people notice how hard I push back against NIH. You don’t have to be the author to understand and be able to fiddle with tool internals. In a pinch you can tinker with things you run yourself.
- not_kurt_godel 7y agoOf course customers don't care about the root cause. The point of the cloud isn't to have a convenient scapegoat to punt blame to when your business is affected. It's a calculated risk that uptime will be superior compared to running and maintaining your own infrastructure, thus allowing your business to offer an overall better customer experience. Even when big outages like this one are taken into account, it's often a pretty good bet to take.
- tzs 7y ago> I keep trying to explain to people that our customers don’t care that there is someone to blame they just want their shit to work. There are advantages to having autonomy when things break. There are also advantages to being part of the herd. When you are hosted at some non-cloud data center, and they have a problem that takes them offline, your customers notice. When you are hosted at a giant cloud provider, and they have a problem that takes them offline, your customers might not even notice because your business is just one of dozens of businesses and services they use that aren't working for them.
- pts_ 7y agoWhat does NIH stand for?
- gdy 7y agoNot Invented Here
- digaozao 7y agoAnd lots of sales on my case
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- stanfordkid 7y agoCan't use my Nest lock to let guests into my house. I'm pretty sure their infrastructure is hosted in Google Cloud. So yeah... definitely some stuff lost.
- jakeogh 7y agoTo bad we don't have google cars yet.
- sdan 7y agoPhoenix Arizona residents think otherwise
- jsty 7y ago"Cloud Automotive Collision Avoidance and Cloud Automotive Braking services are currently unavailable. Cloud Automotive Acceleration is currently accepting unauthenticated PUT requests. We apologise for any inconvenience caused."
- ganeshkrishnan 7y agoOur algorithms have detected unusual patterns and we have terminated your account as per clause 404 in Terms And Conditions. The vehicle will now stop and you are requested to exit.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoYou have my honest sympathy because of the difficulties you now suffer through, but it bears emphasizing: this is what you get when you replace what should be a physical product under your control with Internet-connected service running on third-party servers. IoT as seen on the consumer market is a Bad Idea.
- gowld 7y agoIt's a trade-off of risks. Leaving a key under the may could lead to a security breach.
- countbackula 7y agoAnd reputation. With this outage the global media socket is going to be in gCloud nine.
- jussij 7y agoand reputation.