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I can't wait for Ballmer to become the lovable, goofy NBA owner instead of be remembered as the guy who dragged down Microsoft.

brewrwe 8y ago
Looking back, the whole "Developers, Developers, Developers..." bit was just what we saw publicly, I hope he was on fewer drugs when doing day to day management, but perhaps that is part of why Microsoft found itself in a dying segment of an industry it once monopolized.
- Fnoord 8y ago
  Yeah, that's one of those memorable moments. Here's another one, the chair throw incident: "At some point in the conversation Mr. Ballmer said: "Just tell me it's not Google." I told him it was Google. At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it across the room hitting a table in his office. Mr. Ballmer then said: "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google."" [1] If you scroll up on there, you can read how very wrong he was on the iPhone, Linux, and FOSS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Google
  - remir 8y ago
    Looks like a scene from a movie.
zerr 8y ago
> who dragged down Microsoft Did he?
- Fnoord 8y ago
  By being unable to use his warchest on a changing market. As an example: missing the smartphone boat twice (once with Windows Mobile vs Symbian, and once with Windows Phone vs iOS/Android). Another example: Microsoft search / Bing. Microsoft kept Office relevant though, made Azure relevant, and are reinventing themselves from a proprietary to a data company (like Google, Facebook, and Amazon) who also do a lot of open source (like the previously mentioned companies). But I suppose Nadella takes credit for that.
  - CSMastermind 8y ago
    Bing has proved to be one of the best investments that Microsoft ever made. Ballmer's failure as it related to Bing was trying to build an advertising platform to compete with Google and failing.
    - TheWiseOne 8y ago
      Genuine question - how is Bing a good investment? Isn't it essentially a non-factor in the search market?
      - alttab 8y ago
        My guess is the algorithms and infrastructure serve search functions across all of their products. The "search market" is really the "Display advertising" market, and sure, they suck at that because no one goes to bing. But bing isn't worthless.
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        can16358p 8y ago
        I've lost trust on them the day they were busted copying results directly from Google (https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/ https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/)
      - warty 8y ago
        It's a huge guinea pig for .net, windows server, and azure - a perfect example of eating your own dog food.
  - doitmw 8y ago
    On the other hand there's not much evidence that MS could've won (or at least secured a place in) the smartphone wars with any other CEO. Many other big companies tried and failed miserably.
- traskjd 8y ago
  My opinion, fwiw: Financially, no. Optically, yes. (and, in fairness to the latter, in a manner which was diminishing longer term value creation also. However he totally does not deserve the reputation he generally has with developers. Like a lot of things, folks love to view them in black in white, when in reality it's a rainbow).
- ddebernardy 8y ago
  As one who can recollect the old days where one had to pick up the phone and read catalogs to source a supplier, I'd suggest he didn't do that bad - MS is still around and generating billions, after all. But he botched a few potential growth vectors along the way - think mobile or SaaS.
openIce 8y ago
How did Ballmer drag down MS?
Delmania 8y ago
Depends on your point of view, doesn’t it? Under his watch MSFT grew in revenue, profit, and stock. If the point of a business is to make money, he did well.

brewrwe 8y ago

Looking back, the whole "Developers, Developers, Developers..." bit was just what we saw publicly, I hope he was on fewer drugs when doing day to day management, but perhaps that is part of why Microsoft found itself in a dying segment of an industry it once monopolized.

Fnoord 8y ago
Yeah, that's one of those memorable moments. Here's another one, the chair throw incident: "At some point in the conversation Mr. Ballmer said: "Just tell me it's not Google." I told him it was Google. At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it across the room hitting a table in his office. Mr. Ballmer then said: "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google."" [1] If you scroll up on there, you can read how very wrong he was on the iPhone, Linux, and FOSS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Google
- remir 8y ago
  Looks like a scene from a movie.

zerr 8y ago

> who dragged down Microsoft Did he?

Fnoord 8y ago
By being unable to use his warchest on a changing market. As an example: missing the smartphone boat twice (once with Windows Mobile vs Symbian, and once with Windows Phone vs iOS/Android). Another example: Microsoft search / Bing. Microsoft kept Office relevant though, made Azure relevant, and are reinventing themselves from a proprietary to a data company (like Google, Facebook, and Amazon) who also do a lot of open source (like the previously mentioned companies). But I suppose Nadella takes credit for that.
- CSMastermind 8y ago
  Bing has proved to be one of the best investments that Microsoft ever made. Ballmer's failure as it related to Bing was trying to build an advertising platform to compete with Google and failing.
  - TheWiseOne 8y ago
    Genuine question - how is Bing a good investment? Isn't it essentially a non-factor in the search market?
    - alttab 8y ago
      My guess is the algorithms and infrastructure serve search functions across all of their products. The "search market" is really the "Display advertising" market, and sure, they suck at that because no one goes to bing. But bing isn't worthless.
      - deleted 8y ago
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      - can16358p 8y ago
        I've lost trust on them the day they were busted copying results directly from Google (https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/ https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/)
    - warty 8y ago
      It's a huge guinea pig for .net, windows server, and azure - a perfect example of eating your own dog food.
- doitmw 8y ago
  On the other hand there's not much evidence that MS could've won (or at least secured a place in) the smartphone wars with any other CEO. Many other big companies tried and failed miserably.
traskjd 8y ago
My opinion, fwiw: Financially, no. Optically, yes. (and, in fairness to the latter, in a manner which was diminishing longer term value creation also. However he totally does not deserve the reputation he generally has with developers. Like a lot of things, folks love to view them in black in white, when in reality it's a rainbow).
ddebernardy 8y ago
As one who can recollect the old days where one had to pick up the phone and read catalogs to source a supplier, I'd suggest he didn't do that bad - MS is still around and generating billions, after all. But he botched a few potential growth vectors along the way - think mobile or SaaS.

openIce 8y ago

How did Ballmer drag down MS?

Delmania 8y ago

Depends on your point of view, doesn’t it? Under his watch MSFT grew in revenue, profit, and stock. If the point of a business is to make money, he did well.