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Sounds like Apple computers just aren't for you then and you should switch to some other hardware. Personally I love my 2017 MBP, the keyboard, trackpad, and U

Sounds like Apple computers just aren't for you then and you should switch to some other hardware. Personally I love my 2017 MBP, the keyboard, trackpad, and USB-C ports.

dawnerd 9y ago
I’m with you there. Small gripe with the keyboard is when it heats up the clickiness changes or goes away - like the keys stick. Since all of their modern laptops have this issue there’s no point in returning it like everyone suggests. No idea what op was complaining about with the trackpad. It’s simply the best on the market.
- Helloworldboy 9y ago
  Hmm, i haven't noticed that. I didn't;t like he first generation of the "butterfly" switch, but i really like the second gen ones on mine and yeah, the touchpad is honestly amazing. I can't go back the the old smaller one, which was already better than anything else on the market.
- SpikeDad 9y ago
  If you're talking about the keyboard on the MBP 2016 or 2017 I don't know what you're talking about. My keyboard works fine all day long - so does my office mate who has the same keyboard and who codes on it all day.
  - dawnerd 9y ago
    2017 for sure. The MacBook has the same problem. Run the run until it throttles and tap the keys around the middle right.
cdolan 9y ago
Perhaps, I grew up on them though and have only ever owned an Apple computer (starting with iBook clamshell in like 2001?) Edit: And in reality how do you like the USB C ports? What headphones do you use? Did you have to buy $500 of new cables? Don't take this with an off-putting tone, I genuinely don't know if its worth buying thousands in new accessories and adaptors to replace things like HDMI, USB-A form factors, etc. Edit #2 - The Trashcan Mac Pro was built on the theory of daisy chaining Thunderbolt, and not 3 years later we see a new standard port in USB-C. I know its a niche audience, but my point is, what if USB-D is out in 24 months, and your $3,000+ of cables/monitors/harddrives/adaptors to use an SD card with your camera.... are all obsolete? Edit #3 after reading the rest of the thread: Seems you are in the minority and others echo my complains of post-2015 Macbook hardware being extremely underwhelming and not worth the frustration.
- Helloworldboy 9y ago
  I just use AirPods or a set of over-ear sennheisers, but that's unrelated to the USB-C's since there's a headphone jack. I really like the transfer speed of the USB-C ports, I've spent maybe $70 on new cables (usb-c -> DisplayPort, a usb-c/usb flash drive, and a USB-C -> lightning and 1 or 2 others). The only thing that really bothers me about the IO is that the iPhone still uses lighting, i think it should adopt USB-C as well for consistency. Otherwise i have no gripes about the IO, I think USB-C will see heavy adoption in the coming months/years and honestly i think wireless is continuing to make hardware IO irrelevant in my life. Other gripes i have are the slightly reduced battery life and the removal of magsafe, but i think the nice screen and the form factor make up for it. I'm a relative newcomer to the apple ecosystem (first iPhone an MacBook in 2014) so i have no real opinion on the mac pro, except that it is likely overpriced for my workload, I'm unlikely to want a desktop mac outside of the one i use at work. Edit: for clarification i have the 2017 13 inch model with toucbar.
- SpikeDad 9y ago
  Edit #3 - You don't think the few comments on Hacker News represents some kind of consensus do you? My MBP 2016 is easily the best hardware I've ever used. For all the legacy connectivity I need I had to purchase exactly 1 piece of hardware - a USB C hub for $69. This is portable, has 3 USB A ports, an HDMI video port (which I don't use), GB Ethernet and an SD card reader. I also keep a USB A-USB C adapter in my bag in case of emergencies. Coupled with my LG monitor, I plug in exactly 1 cable to start my day which connects all my ports. Not exactly sure what your issue is or why you'd think someone would have to purchase a lot of cables. My total expenditure to support "legacy" stuff was about $90 - the USB C hub and a new USB C 3.1 drive enclosure to move my old Time Machine hard drive to a high-speed interface.

Sounds like Apple computers just aren't for you then and you should switch to some other hardware. Personally I love my 2017 MBP, the keyboard, trackpad, and USB-C ports.

dawnerd 9y ago

I’m with you there. Small gripe with the keyboard is when it heats up the clickiness changes or goes away - like the keys stick. Since all of their modern laptops have this issue there’s no point in returning it like everyone suggests. No idea what op was complaining about with the trackpad. It’s simply the best on the market.

Helloworldboy 9y ago
Hmm, i haven't noticed that. I didn't;t like he first generation of the "butterfly" switch, but i really like the second gen ones on mine and yeah, the touchpad is honestly amazing. I can't go back the the old smaller one, which was already better than anything else on the market.
SpikeDad 9y ago
If you're talking about the keyboard on the MBP 2016 or 2017 I don't know what you're talking about. My keyboard works fine all day long - so does my office mate who has the same keyboard and who codes on it all day.
- dawnerd 9y ago
  2017 for sure. The MacBook has the same problem. Run the run until it throttles and tap the keys around the middle right.

cdolan 9y ago

Perhaps, I grew up on them though and have only ever owned an Apple computer (starting with iBook clamshell in like 2001?) Edit: And in reality how do you like the USB C ports? What headphones do you use? Did you have to buy $500 of new cables? Don't take this with an off-putting tone, I genuinely don't know if its worth buying thousands in new accessories and adaptors to replace things like HDMI, USB-A form factors, etc. Edit #2 - The Trashcan Mac Pro was built on the theory of daisy chaining Thunderbolt, and not 3 years later we see a new standard port in USB-C. I know its a niche audience, but my point is, what if USB-D is out in 24 months, and your $3,000+ of cables/monitors/harddrives/adaptors to use an SD card with your camera.... are all obsolete? Edit #3 after reading the rest of the thread: Seems you are in the minority and others echo my complains of post-2015 Macbook hardware being extremely underwhelming and not worth the frustration.

Helloworldboy 9y ago
I just use AirPods or a set of over-ear sennheisers, but that's unrelated to the USB-C's since there's a headphone jack. I really like the transfer speed of the USB-C ports, I've spent maybe $70 on new cables (usb-c -> DisplayPort, a usb-c/usb flash drive, and a USB-C -> lightning and 1 or 2 others). The only thing that really bothers me about the IO is that the iPhone still uses lighting, i think it should adopt USB-C as well for consistency. Otherwise i have no gripes about the IO, I think USB-C will see heavy adoption in the coming months/years and honestly i think wireless is continuing to make hardware IO irrelevant in my life. Other gripes i have are the slightly reduced battery life and the removal of magsafe, but i think the nice screen and the form factor make up for it. I'm a relative newcomer to the apple ecosystem (first iPhone an MacBook in 2014) so i have no real opinion on the mac pro, except that it is likely overpriced for my workload, I'm unlikely to want a desktop mac outside of the one i use at work. Edit: for clarification i have the 2017 13 inch model with toucbar.
SpikeDad 9y ago
Edit #3 - You don't think the few comments on Hacker News represents some kind of consensus do you? My MBP 2016 is easily the best hardware I've ever used. For all the legacy connectivity I need I had to purchase exactly 1 piece of hardware - a USB C hub for $69. This is portable, has 3 USB A ports, an HDMI video port (which I don't use), GB Ethernet and an SD card reader. I also keep a USB A-USB C adapter in my bag in case of emergencies. Coupled with my LG monitor, I plug in exactly 1 cable to start my day which connects all my ports. Not exactly sure what your issue is or why you'd think someone would have to purchase a lot of cables. My total expenditure to support "legacy" stuff was about $90 - the USB C hub and a new USB C 3.1 drive enclosure to move my old Time Machine hard drive to a high-speed interface.