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USA Military Indistrial Complex strikes again.
by archvile 9y ago
USA Military Indistrial Complex strikes again.
- rublev 9y agoWhy is this being downvoted with explanation?
- dasil003 9y agoI didn't downvote, but my guess would be because ISIS is responsible for this escalation, not the US.
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- kukabynd 9y agoAnd who’s responsible for ISIS?
- blubber 9y agoPlease give me name and phone number of the one person that is responsible. Thank you. I'll call him/her and tell him/her that he/she did all that.
- kukabynd 9y agoYou’re overdoing it a tad, but let’s just imagine you had a number of that “evil person”. Why would you call him/her and tell he/she did all that? Wouldn’t it be pointless? Seriously though, I’m not saying I have all the answers but let me ask a simple question. Why would the country with the biggest military industrial complex in the world be involved in the regions all over the world, especially on the other half of the planet? You don’t see soldiers from Bashkiria hanging out in your yard.
- nyolfen 9y agoso why are you blaming the US specifically and not any of the disparate partisan groups that directly built ISIS? the islamist militants from MENA, the saudis funding wahhabist madrassas abroad, the gulf monarchies giving arms and funding, the former iraqi ba'athists that make up its officer corps... and instead you choose an entity directly fighting ISIS? why is that? almost as if you have ideological blinders on...
- manicdee 9y agoThe US deliberately caused a power vacuum and did nothing to fill it. If I drop an egg on the ground, can I blame the egg for cracking? If I rest an egg on an uneven bench top, and it subsequently rolls off the bench and splatters on the floor, who is to blame: the egg, gravity, or the floor? If I give a suicidal person a gun when the rest of the community has been actively preventing that person getting a gun, and openly told me not to give the person a gun, who is most directly to blame for them killing themselves using that gun? If I leave food on the kitchen bench after Mum told me to put it away, who is to blame for the ant infestation in the kitchen: the ants, my Mum or the pest eradicator? It doesn't matter that we came back and tried cleaning up the mess later.
- kukabynd 9y agoI don’t know all the details, I just see arguments from both sides and want to explore the possibilities so that I have a rational non-biased opinion anyone can have. I’m not from the US nor from the Middle East. I’m not religious nor in support of anything close to it. All the information I consume is not necessarily true nor fact-based. I don’t know, I wasn’t there. My point is that we don’t know 100% of the information as any information might be false. No channel, source, a journalist is 100% trustworthy nor bias-free. Thus, my only choice is to think about the global picture by consuming and sharing my thoughts based on both true and false news. So, blinders off. --- You say that “entity” fights ISIS. Why do you say that? What’s your take in this? Do you personally support that war? Is it because you read/saw it somewhere or personally went to war? Let’s imagine you did go to war. Did you lay out the orders or followed them? These are rhetorical questions. I read articles about how the US is the one doing the bid in stopping terrorism, but I also read articles on how the US is sponsoring state terrorism. I heard what the UK officials say, but I also listened to what Iran officials have to say. I read that the US sells billions worth of military stuff to Saudi Arabia, but I also saw that Saudi Arabia might be sponsoring ISIS. Where’s the truth? --- Let’s just consider the possibility that both of our arguments are right as in “ISIS is sponsored by local partisan groups with finance coming from the US”. Where does that leave you and me? Nowhere. We are simply watching the game those in power play. To hope that any of our governments care about us is a fool’s errand. We are simply economical units and numbers in their vote ballots. The same as citizens of Iraq and Syria. Look what happened to them. It can happen to any of us. The goal is to be prepared and have an “Exit”, that’s all I’m interested in.
- dasil003 9y agoI'm not defending the US, but that's a dangerous slippery slope you're on that ends with no one being responsible for anything because free will is an illusion.
- kukabynd 9y agoI asked a simple question and I’m already on a slippery slope? That way any counter-argument is a slippery slope. The logic of my question lies in the fact that the US played the biggest role in recent Middle East history. Why would a country with the biggest economy/military complex in the world bother to involve itself? This is an open question I don’t have an answer for. I’m sure that anyone in power does not do anything in altruistic nature though. That certainly includes Feds/governments. You’re right on point though, free will is an illusion.
- 1001101 9y agoYour attempt to short circuit any rebuttals with infinite regress aside, this didn't happen organically or spontaneously - humans caused this, and I can give you the names of many of them.
- jokoon 9y agoBasically you can rewind things at a certain prison where many islamist insurgent were kept, including al baghdadi. This prison was managed by the Iraqi or I don't remember who. To say that the invasion of Iraq did not fuel the escalation in Syria is a little naive. There is an endless debate between keeping Saddam Hussein in power and letting Iraq slowly reconstruct itself, and removing him and letting all the bad stuff loose.
- afarrell 9y agoMany, but I'd like to add Mark Sykes and François Georges-Picot to the list of names we're considering.
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- dragonwriter 9y agoISIL (or something like it; the name/identity couldn't be predicted) as a substantial force with territory, was a foreseeable consequences of the US invasion of Iraq, the inadequate allotment of troops for occupation compared to pre-invasion expert-identified requirements, and bungling of details of the occupation like de-Baathification, particularly the wholesale and disorderly dismissal of security services. The US (and specific US policy makers) are directly responsible for that.
- Simon_says 9y agoI want to believe that this result was foreseeable. I want to believe that some people at least are wise enough to see consequences of actions. Can you point to some piece of writing explaining this prior to or contemporaneous with the US invasion?
- dragonwriter 9y agoNot sure I'll be able to find the detailed stuff I saw at the time, but here's a reference to General Shinseki's estimate of the needed troops and the (manifestly false; Iraq had a long history of ethnic and sectarian militia conflict) administration response. http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-iraq/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-ira...
- laithshadeed 9y agoI suggest to you read "I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines of Jihad", Specially chapter 3 & 4. It has all the details you want. https://smile.amazon.com/Was-Told-Come-Alone-Journey/dp/1627798978 https://smile.amazon.com/Was-Told-Come-Alone-Journey/dp/1627...
- Simon_says 9y agoI'll try to take a look at this later, but Amazon says the publish date is 2017. I'm really looking for something that prognosticates.
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