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In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out. The socialist mindset created retarded managers.

by mrcold 10y ago

In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out. The socialist mindset created retarded managers. So anything deviating from the standard factory setup is seen as depravity. Europeans don't understand technology. For them software development is like manual labor. Get some monkeys, throw them some peanuts and use a whip to make them do stuff. Overall, remote working in Europe is mostly done for US companies. EU companies are usually mentally disabled.

id122015 10y ago
If I was born in Europe, who should I work for ? Should I move to UK, US, Australia ?
- ddorian43 10y ago
  Depends on what you want. US usually has the highest $. You can also remote to get as much $ and as few costs.
- ionised 10y ago
  Iceland
- helengrin 10y ago
  I want to move to Sydney next year. I visited Australia 2 times last year ( I booked cheap tickets here https://au.lowcost.club/ https://au.lowcost.club/) and I'm fond of this country. Now I'm preparing all required docs for that purpose.
Traubenfuchs 10y ago
I agree. Large companies sometimes have regulations around (limited) home working, but those who do it are looked at with suspicion from everyone else and only the very senior seniors dare to use it.
joojia 10y ago
So true
pvaldes 10y ago
> Europeans work like a slave all day Except in holidays > The socialist mindset created retarded managers Not all the retarded managers are socialists, and not all managers are retarded. Do you have free universal medical care for all citizens yet? > Europeans don't understand technology Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet. Congratulations to USA for ranking again in the second place after China.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet. Congratulations for not understanding the concept of "per capita".
- mrcold 10y ago
  'Except in holidays' > Nice straw man. All day doesn't mean every day. 'Do you have free universal medical care for all citizens yet?' > Yes, I live in Europe. 'Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet' > You are very good at building these straw men. Not sure what understanding technology has to do with pollution.
andyy 10y ago
That's weird thing to say, I guess no replies from guys in UK (London & rest of the country). It's similar for Netherlands and I know (from my experience) in Germany (Berlin). 'In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out.' > again not sure which countries you speak about (ukraine or romania lol?), maybe it's like that in some, but some have very relaxed attitude 'Overall, remote working in Europe is mostly done for US companies. EU companies are usually mentally disabled.' > again, there're tons of EU based remote work, and I just won't comment on the rest of this generalisation. I've got a nice remote offers from Spain and Netherlands as we, despite being in UK. I'm getting them all the time. So just to top the thing about working like a slave all day... - my EU company gives me remote because I do work better in this mode, - my EU company gives me a lot of benefits that guys in US don't see (despite that average salary I'd say is lower in here), - basically it's yet another EU company that hires me and gives me total freedom because I deliver i.e. if you're good you will always find a remote job with conditions you want. btw. your comment shows your ignorance and nothing more (and a lack of ability to produce some facts instead of meaningless offences) 'EU companies are usually mentally disabled.' - seriously? you work for some1 or you're building your own 'empire' with this kind of attitude and beliefs? Overall, your post is full of bs.
- ddorian43 10y ago
  What benefits does the EU company give you more beside more free days compared to US ?
  - andyy 10y ago
    I'll just mention one thing, maybe that's not important for you - US maternity law, come on... it's a joke ;) all of this stuff is way in favour in most countries of Europe. btw. I like my free days, I like a lot the extra ones (not the ones that companies are obligated to) if you work for good company. time is precious so a lot of companies are very flexible, in here it's nothing new & nothing uncommon to do 4 days instead 5 etc. or change any day with any weekend day if you please.
    - 10y ago
BjoernKW 10y ago
Are you talking from experience or just out of your arse? I know plenty of EU software companies and while there is certainly some variation none of them is like the cliché you're painting. It's like saying every US software company is like 70s / 80s era IBM (which used to be pretty much like what you're describing).
ionised 10y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just have a terrible personal experience with shitty jobs. My current (UK) company is great to work for.
- mrcold 10y ago
  That's anecdotal. My current company is great too. That doesn't mean all the companies in my country are great.
  - ionised 10y ago
    Exactly, it doesn't mean they are all shite either. I'm willing to accept that many are though, but that's no different anywhere you go.
dagw 10y ago
WTF? Admittedly I've only worked in Scandinavia, but that doesn't sound right at all. Every job I've worked at (from small startups to multinational engineering firms) has been extremely flexible when it comes to working hours and taking time off and I've never seen a manager come even halfway close to to being anywhere near as bad as the stories I hear about American managers here on HN.
- mrcold 10y ago
  Sounds pretty accurate for a business-oriented role. Didn't have the same experience in the engineering teams. Maybe I found only shitty companies. Maybe it's just the role itself. For example, everybody says "there are better companies out there". But all of them seem to be the same. And it's more of a gamble on the position. Find a good team and the company is great. Find a bad team in the same company and the company sucks. Maybe you got lucky and I didn't. Hence the different perspectives.
  - dagw 10y ago
    Obviously all companies are different, and perhaps the best companies in the US treat their best workers better than the best companies in Europe. But equally all the working condition horror stories I've heard from the US completely dwarf anything I've ever seen or heard of in Europe.

by mrcold 10y ago

id122015 10y ago

If I was born in Europe, who should I work for ? Should I move to UK, US, Australia ?

ddorian43 10y ago
Depends on what you want. US usually has the highest $. You can also remote to get as much $ and as few costs.
ionised 10y ago
Iceland
helengrin 10y ago
I want to move to Sydney next year. I visited Australia 2 times last year ( I booked cheap tickets here https://au.lowcost.club/ https://au.lowcost.club/) and I'm fond of this country. Now I'm preparing all required docs for that purpose.

Traubenfuchs 10y ago

I agree. Large companies sometimes have regulations around (limited) home working, but those who do it are looked at with suspicion from everyone else and only the very senior seniors dare to use it.

joojia 10y ago

So true

pvaldes 10y ago

> Europeans work like a slave all day Except in holidays > The socialist mindset created retarded managers Not all the retarded managers are socialists, and not all managers are retarded. Do you have free universal medical care for all citizens yet? > Europeans don't understand technology Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet. Congratulations to USA for ranking again in the second place after China.

jimmywanger 10y ago
> Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet. Congratulations for not understanding the concept of "per capita".
mrcold 10y ago
'Except in holidays' > Nice straw man. All day doesn't mean every day. 'Do you have free universal medical care for all citizens yet?' > Yes, I live in Europe. 'Not a single european country in the list of the five most polluting countries in the planet' > You are very good at building these straw men. Not sure what understanding technology has to do with pollution.

andyy 10y ago

That's weird thing to say, I guess no replies from guys in UK (London & rest of the country). It's similar for Netherlands and I know (from my experience) in Germany (Berlin). 'In Europe software companies are more like factories. You punch in, work like a slave all day, then punch out.' > again not sure which countries you speak about (ukraine or romania lol?), maybe it's like that in some, but some have very relaxed attitude 'Overall, remote working in Europe is mostly done for US companies. EU companies are usually mentally disabled.' > again, there're tons of EU based remote work, and I just won't comment on the rest of this generalisation. I've got a nice remote offers from Spain and Netherlands as we, despite being in UK. I'm getting them all the time. So just to top the thing about working like a slave all day... - my EU company gives me remote because I do work better in this mode, - my EU company gives me a lot of benefits that guys in US don't see (despite that average salary I'd say is lower in here), - basically it's yet another EU company that hires me and gives me total freedom because I deliver i.e. if you're good you will always find a remote job with conditions you want. btw. your comment shows your ignorance and nothing more (and a lack of ability to produce some facts instead of meaningless offences) 'EU companies are usually mentally disabled.' - seriously? you work for some1 or you're building your own 'empire' with this kind of attitude and beliefs? Overall, your post is full of bs.

ddorian43 10y ago
What benefits does the EU company give you more beside more free days compared to US ?
- andyy 10y ago
  I'll just mention one thing, maybe that's not important for you - US maternity law, come on... it's a joke ;) all of this stuff is way in favour in most countries of Europe. btw. I like my free days, I like a lot the extra ones (not the ones that companies are obligated to) if you work for good company. time is precious so a lot of companies are very flexible, in here it's nothing new & nothing uncommon to do 4 days instead 5 etc. or change any day with any weekend day if you please.
  - 10y ago

BjoernKW 10y ago

Are you talking from experience or just out of your arse? I know plenty of EU software companies and while there is certainly some variation none of them is like the cliché you're painting. It's like saying every US software company is like 70s / 80s era IBM (which used to be pretty much like what you're describing).

ionised 10y ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just have a terrible personal experience with shitty jobs. My current (UK) company is great to work for.

mrcold 10y ago
That's anecdotal. My current company is great too. That doesn't mean all the companies in my country are great.
- ionised 10y ago
  Exactly, it doesn't mean they are all shite either. I'm willing to accept that many are though, but that's no different anywhere you go.

dagw 10y ago

WTF? Admittedly I've only worked in Scandinavia, but that doesn't sound right at all. Every job I've worked at (from small startups to multinational engineering firms) has been extremely flexible when it comes to working hours and taking time off and I've never seen a manager come even halfway close to to being anywhere near as bad as the stories I hear about American managers here on HN.

mrcold 10y ago
Sounds pretty accurate for a business-oriented role. Didn't have the same experience in the engineering teams. Maybe I found only shitty companies. Maybe it's just the role itself. For example, everybody says "there are better companies out there". But all of them seem to be the same. And it's more of a gamble on the position. Find a good team and the company is great. Find a bad team in the same company and the company sucks. Maybe you got lucky and I didn't. Hence the different perspectives.
- dagw 10y ago
  Obviously all companies are different, and perhaps the best companies in the US treat their best workers better than the best companies in Europe. But equally all the working condition horror stories I've heard from the US completely dwarf anything I've ever seen or heard of in Europe.