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Excuse the poor pun but.. are you serious? Facebook excluded several of your friends based on their terrible name policy. They run their walled garden however

by habith 11y ago

Excuse the poor pun but.. are you serious? Facebook excluded several of your friends based on their terrible name policy. They run their walled garden however they want to. Your participation in it makes you (in your own words) a "peasant". Yet, you're not trying to go all RMS about it and you continue to use it daily to give them more money/power? Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Say what you want about RMS, but at least he's principled and does/says what he thinks instead of conforming to social norms.

SwellJoe 11y ago
I am human, and my flaws are many.
- habith 11y ago
  Likewise :) My apologies if that was over the top, I meant no disrespect.
  - SwellJoe 11y ago
    No apology needed. I understand where you're coming from.
scrollaway 11y ago
It's not reasonable to expect people to "just not use facebook". Not that it's not possible - it is (and I don't use it), but it doesn't mean facebook can just do whatever. Reposting an old comment of mine: For a lot of people, Facebook is "The Web". That's all or almost all they use. The less tech-literate ones don't even know "the web", they connect to Facebook. They get their news from Facebook. They communicate on Facebook. Everything they do online, they do on Facebook. Like someone mentioned above, when you get big enough you start to have responsibilities. When your actions affect and your voice is heard by billions of people, you're no longer "some random privately-owned website"... you're a supergiant with the ability to affect the entire world.
- ryandrake 11y ago
  > It's not reasonable to expect people to "just not use Facebook". Huh? Nobody used Facebook before 2003. Now people simply can't avoid using it?
  - pgodzin 11y ago
    And in 2015 everyone is on Facebook. If everyone moves off of Facebook then we're back in the "good old days" but until then, there are many social aspects, such as event planning, that are being done entirely on the site. You can't point to a time when FB wasn't around and say that everyone didn't have FB then and can just as easily not have it again when reality has changed so much since then.
    - ctdonath 11y ago
      And in 2010 "nobody" will be in Facebook. I've been watching this social media lifecycle for 30 years. No, Facebook isn't "too big to fail" any more than the dozen other "too big to fail" forums, all of which failed.
      - onewaystreet 11y ago
        It's easy to say Facebook will eventually fail, but given its size it will take a major shift in Internet usage for it to happen. People compare Facebook to AOL. AOL started to decline because of the shift from dial-up to broadband. What will cause Facebook to decline? A shift to mobile? Facebook owns four of top social apps (Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram). VR? Facebook owns Oculus.
        ctdonath 11y ago
        AOL bought Time-Warner, major broadband supplier. How could the monster dominating social media site lose market share in the shift to broadband when they practically owned broadband? But...they did, completely.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
It would be nice if I had the luxury of completely disconnecting from modern society in order to stay true to my principles. But I don't. Modern corporations have gone to great to make it extremely inconvenient to not use their services--which is exactly the problem we're talking about, isn't it? If we didn't rely on them for our daily activities, we wouldn't care if they had abusive policies. I admire RMS' ideals, but he famously doesn't actually use the internet like anyone else does--he won't purchase or pay for anything online, he won't browse the web except via wget--which makes his pronouncements about as useful in day-to-day life as a celibate priest giving sex advice.
- briandear 11y ago
  Corporations don't make you use Facebook. Your grandmother does.
  - PhasmaFelis 11y ago
    And you think that wasn't Facebook's intention?
davedx 11y ago
Personally I use Facebook with AdBlock and Privacy Badger enabled. They don't make very much money from me. ;)
- briandear 11y ago
  That's cool, but having you on the service increases the network effect, thus you really are helping them make more money.
- bigbugbag 11y ago
  Yes they do, even better you probably gave them from your own pocket. You don't understand advertising do you ? It goes like this: company has a product to sell, pays money for ads (may pay money to adblock to circumvent filters), factor the cost in the product price. You buy the product, you pay for the advertising.
  - ionised 11y ago
    How does that work if he never sees the ads on Facebook? I can't personally remember the last time I saw one on there. Then again, I barely login these days, but when I do it's NoScript'd, uBlock'd, DNT'd, Self-Destructing Cookie'd, Protect Local Storage'd and Better Privacy'd out of the arse.
    - bigbugbag 11y ago
      Doesn't change that fact that the company factors the cost of advertising in their product price that the consumer pays regardless of the ads being seen or not. Only way not to pay for ads is to buy product sold by a company that does not advertise. Good luck with that.
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by habith 11y ago

SwellJoe 11y ago

I am human, and my flaws are many.

habith 11y ago
Likewise :) My apologies if that was over the top, I meant no disrespect.
- SwellJoe 11y ago
  No apology needed. I understand where you're coming from.

scrollaway 11y ago

It's not reasonable to expect people to "just not use facebook". Not that it's not possible - it is (and I don't use it), but it doesn't mean facebook can just do whatever. Reposting an old comment of mine: For a lot of people, Facebook is "The Web". That's all or almost all they use. The less tech-literate ones don't even know "the web", they connect to Facebook. They get their news from Facebook. They communicate on Facebook. Everything they do online, they do on Facebook. Like someone mentioned above, when you get big enough you start to have responsibilities. When your actions affect and your voice is heard by billions of people, you're no longer "some random privately-owned website"... you're a supergiant with the ability to affect the entire world.

ryandrake 11y ago
> It's not reasonable to expect people to "just not use Facebook". Huh? Nobody used Facebook before 2003. Now people simply can't avoid using it?
- pgodzin 11y ago
  And in 2015 everyone is on Facebook. If everyone moves off of Facebook then we're back in the "good old days" but until then, there are many social aspects, such as event planning, that are being done entirely on the site. You can't point to a time when FB wasn't around and say that everyone didn't have FB then and can just as easily not have it again when reality has changed so much since then.
  - ctdonath 11y ago
    And in 2010 "nobody" will be in Facebook. I've been watching this social media lifecycle for 30 years. No, Facebook isn't "too big to fail" any more than the dozen other "too big to fail" forums, all of which failed.
    - onewaystreet 11y ago
      It's easy to say Facebook will eventually fail, but given its size it will take a major shift in Internet usage for it to happen. People compare Facebook to AOL. AOL started to decline because of the shift from dial-up to broadband. What will cause Facebook to decline? A shift to mobile? Facebook owns four of top social apps (Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram). VR? Facebook owns Oculus.
      - ctdonath 11y ago
        AOL bought Time-Warner, major broadband supplier. How could the monster dominating social media site lose market share in the shift to broadband when they practically owned broadband? But...they did, completely.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

It would be nice if I had the luxury of completely disconnecting from modern society in order to stay true to my principles. But I don't. Modern corporations have gone to great to make it extremely inconvenient to not use their services--which is exactly the problem we're talking about, isn't it? If we didn't rely on them for our daily activities, we wouldn't care if they had abusive policies. I admire RMS' ideals, but he famously doesn't actually use the internet like anyone else does--he won't purchase or pay for anything online, he won't browse the web except via wget--which makes his pronouncements about as useful in day-to-day life as a celibate priest giving sex advice.

briandear 11y ago
Corporations don't make you use Facebook. Your grandmother does.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  And you think that wasn't Facebook's intention?

davedx 11y ago

Personally I use Facebook with AdBlock and Privacy Badger enabled. They don't make very much money from me. ;)

briandear 11y ago
That's cool, but having you on the service increases the network effect, thus you really are helping them make more money.
bigbugbag 11y ago
Yes they do, even better you probably gave them from your own pocket. You don't understand advertising do you ? It goes like this: company has a product to sell, pays money for ads (may pay money to adblock to circumvent filters), factor the cost in the product price. You buy the product, you pay for the advertising.
- ionised 11y ago
  How does that work if he never sees the ads on Facebook? I can't personally remember the last time I saw one on there. Then again, I barely login these days, but when I do it's NoScript'd, uBlock'd, DNT'd, Self-Destructing Cookie'd, Protect Local Storage'd and Better Privacy'd out of the arse.
  - bigbugbag 11y ago
    Doesn't change that fact that the company factors the cost of advertising in their product price that the consumer pays regardless of the ads being seen or not. Only way not to pay for ads is to buy product sold by a company that does not advertise. Good luck with that.

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