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4y ago
It also blocks network requests made by third-party sites to FB. So unless you're already running ETP with the content blocker on (strict mode, private browsing mode) or another ad blocker kind of addon that also blocks FB strictly, th
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4y ago
I'm not sure if it offers any stricter cookie-specific behavior, but it also blocks network requests Facebook makes on third party pages. So unless you're running in ETP strict/custom mode with the content blocker on, or in p
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4y ago
Right, Total Cookie Protection has been baking for a while to try to minimize that kind of breakage, and we're already in discussions with other browser vendors and companies to get everyone onboard on the Privacy CG. In a nutshell, ad
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4y ago
There is some detail here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Privacy/Storage...
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4y ago
Total Cookie Protection is already on by default in private browsing mode, or strict ETP. Also Firefox Focus on Android. It's being rolled out to everyone in the standard ETP mode now. It's currently controlled by setting `network
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4y ago
To be precise, it's third party cookie/storage partitioning, with web compatibility fixes to keep sites working.
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4y ago
Yes, you can follow the meta-bug here to see the current issues we're working on resolving in a better way: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1537702 Perhaps unsurprisingly, Microsoft logins are the most gla
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4y ago
It depends on the specific third party login service. Some rely on third party storage-sharing, and there are web compatibility measures built into Total Cookie Protection to allow those to keep working. One is that the login service can re
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4y ago
Facebook Container is a stricter form of protection for Facebook specifically, so no, you should continue using it if you're interested in isolating Facebook. Total Cookie Protection is about isolating third party cookies/web stor
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5y ago
Just FYI, Firefox is working on Total Cookie Protection and other features like SmartBlock to keep third party storage access blocked while not breaking web pages. It's definitely nice to see the anti-tracking space getting so active o
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5y ago
Firefox already has Total Cookie Protection and other features like SmartBlock, which aren't exactly the same, but also work to block third party web-storage access while keeping web sites working. It would definitely be interesting to
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5y ago
The latter. This isn't about freedoms or who is better than who. It's about being part of the change you want to see, versus dragging everything down with endless negativity. I'm no one special, but I at least put my money wh
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5y ago
I would only like a bit more than the endless negativity, that's all. If you can't even offer that much, then why would I ever expect anything more? It's easy to blame others and excuse yourself, but if I could find the will
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5y ago
Sure, keep telling yourself that you're the real hero. If folks like you really meant make a positive difference, you would have by now. Instead you endlessly try to take credit for "raising awareness" and "pressuring&qu
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5y ago
Yet if all you ever do is talk about how sucky it is, then you're effectively just part of the PR wings of Firefox's competition.
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5y ago
Does Linux also happen to control a major piece of hardware pretty much everyone uses, and used it to force BSD to adopt some new driver system they wanted to prioritize, which ended up being completely different by the time the dust had se
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5y ago
It's not that you're being a downer, you're just not presenting things in a fair or accurate manner. Google didn't merely "ship a feature someone else didn't". They keep shipping new features as they wis
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5y ago
Oh come on. Google is never going to have an incentive to do better if we just excuse them for their bad behaviour, especially in cases like this where claiming any equivalence is simply ludicrous. One must be wilfully ignorant to act as th
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5y ago
It should be published now.
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5y ago
The post was finally just published, the link should work now.
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5y ago
Ah yes, the old "it's not my job" excuse. Then why are you here acting like an authority on this stuff, when you very clearly don't have the slightest clue? I mean, is your actual job to make excuses for Google and shift
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5y ago
Ok, so the answer is clearly that you don't care. For ten years now we've been watching non-Chromium browser engines die off while complaining about this, with no new one able to really compete because of the gigantic web API foot
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As someone working at Mozilla on web compatibility, I'm tired of people excusing Google like this. I personally spend most of my time figuring out the Chrome-specific quirks that pages rely on which are non-standard, and the Chrome dev
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5y ago
To be fair, the same could be said of a browser fork.
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5y ago
There is nothing repetitive about the approaches of the last few Mozilla CEOs. They did not simply steer the same course as their predecessors. I'm not even sure where this idea could come from? I'm also confused as to why you thi
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But who should she be replaced by? It's not like Mozilla just cherry-picked her over a sea of other amazing, willing-to-be-underpaid candidates who were all clamouring for the job. Being a CEO during tough times sucks . I think Eich w
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Right. We'll just have to see if and how Facebook reacts, but I would hope they prefer this kind of opt-in to their login buttons simply being broken in strict/private mode on many sites. In fact I think they're already getti
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Lead dev here. Yes, this is a give-and-take that probably will never be "perfect" for everyone. Right now a site could disingenuously call the relevant Facebook SDK API to unblock the Facebook resources listed here, and only on th
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Funny enough, I also helped write the about:compat UI and work on the related site interventions. Site compatibility is a surprisingly broad topic that doesn't tend to fit neatly into our ideal vision of the web.
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5y ago
Yes, though in this case it's for sites relying on Facebook's login authenticator, not really Facebook itself. SmartBlock also contains special logic for Google Analytics, Google Publisher Tags, and other trackers that cause sites
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