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9y ago
Agreed. I trust the guy who runs uBlock Origin over AdBlock Plus not for any great reason, but because I vaguely remember people on this site recommending it. I imagine people could delegate moderation responsibility to people and organizat
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9y ago
Disagreeable people also tend to get fired more, in my experience. Perhaps it balances out, which would explain why there are still disagreeable people.
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Somebody at Google could write a memo proposing that sexism might not be the only possible explanation of why a majority of their top engineers are male.
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9y ago
Significantly more rights than who? Christians?
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9y ago
Better than having news outlets embed them, is having browsers support mixing federated comments with the original content. How about it, Mozilla, Brave, and Chromium? Afraid to bite the hand that feeds you?
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9y ago
What's still needed is a set of tools to 1. Aggregate comments from Mastodon, personal blogs, etc. 2. Interact with these comments by upvoting and applying filters, etc (i.e. moderate) 3. Publish your moderation actions and apply the s
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9y ago
Read the top-level comment from hello_there: In an ideal comment system I believe that articles, comments and moderation events should come from three different, decentralized streams (like Atom) that the end user can subscribe to individu
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9y ago
No, the idea is that they don't sign up for it. It's independent of the originating site.
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9y ago
It seems that their goal is to help sites move away from 3rd-party comment management services such as Facebook and Disqus. Based on this discussion, I think federated (not site-owned) comments are the way to go long-term. Maybe Talk can ev
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9y ago
HN is a pretty close second, especially after they added comment collapsing Isn't comment collapsing in HN the same as downvoting? I find this confusing - or maybe I just don't have enough karma for the actual downvote button.
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9y ago
I'm just going to point out that Mozilla and the NSF recently offered $2M for ideas to decentralize the web. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/21/2-million-prize-dec...
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9y ago
We're talking about something like Twitter or Mastodon but (a) can be found using the original URL of the site, as in IPFS or content-addressable networking; and (b) uses distributed opt-in moderation, meta-moderation, and filtering;
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9y ago
My observation is that Mozilla Talk does nothing to advance the decentralized Web, so why is it a good thing?
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If you look at the top-level comment you're replying to, we're describing "an ideal commenting system", not Mozilla Talk.
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9y ago
doesn't solve the problem of, "The comments on my site are overrun with people posting racial slurs." I think you're misunderstanding the proposal. Comments and moderation are independent of the site, not on the si
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9y ago
Then this is evidence that comments should not be on the site. It's not the place of the newsroom to control discussion.
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9y ago
Only in the sense that someone who makes a Wix site that says "Neil Young Sux" is associated with Neil Young.
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Individuals publishing psuedonymous moderation would provide the necessary data, provided privacy concerns can be addressed. I.e. as I upvote your comment, I publish the info that "user XYZ upvoted this comment" which you can use
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The musician can display whatever they want on their website; they don't have to host content they don't like. In the "dream" commenting system, the comments are independent; you can apply your own filters and fetch comm
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9y ago
This is a step in the right direction, but why hand control to the newsroom as opposed to the user?
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The end user should always be in control.
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9y ago
Thanks for the explanation. I would be interested to help build a plugin that implements user-local moderation policies, if sites would actually install it. If that's not likely to happen, then a distributed commenting model seems more
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The feature I want is, as a site user, to apply my own set of filtering and moderation criteria. E.g. "I don't want to see comments posted by user XYZ, or containing regexp W. Any comments by user ABC, or upvoted by ABC, or contai
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Are you saying I can run plugins as a site user (not administrator)? That doesn't seem to be the case. https://coralproject.github.io/talk/docs/running/plugins/
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Mozilla Talk could be useful if it let me apply my own moderation schema (filters, blocklists, etc). It looks like another totally centralized moderation tool: https://coralproject.net/products/talk.html The only expla
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More than 0% and less than 100%.
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If I can produce something that will benefit 10 million people such that they would gladly pay $1 each for it, but I'd just as soon not do it unless I get paid that money, then it's in the interest of those 10 million people that
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> Why should a software engineer make $250k+? Because people are paid for the value of what they produce, not the effort they spend producing it.
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> we are not saying we want everybody to have equal wealth. The concern is about rising inequality How can rising inequality be a bad thing, unless (wealth) inequality in itself is also a bad thing?
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I think it's more a matter of being lucky enough to enjoy doing something which is valuable to others. Another way of looking at this is: rather than basing your enjoyment of life on pursuing a pleasant hobby (which you may or may no
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