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sungam
6mo ago
This is fantastic and I would do something similar if I had the same resources. Whole genome sequencing and single cell sequencing are actually surprisingly inexpensive (compared to the cost of almost any cancer treatment) and there is a go
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sungam
1y ago
Performing the procedure requires a high level of skill in interpreting scans (angiograms) in real time.
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sungam
1y ago
In fairness, while I’m sure it didn’t work out for all of them, one of these students became one of the youngest self made billionaires in history
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sungam
1y ago
This is true, however I am sure that AI-based image analysis will also replace some of the work of dermatologists eventually so nobody is safe...
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sungam
1y ago
Not at the present time. I think if the project takes off I will move it to static hosting anyway to reduce the attack surface.
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sungam
1y ago
I think we are going to see more and more people in diverse fields developing applications that meet the requirements of a small niche that may not have been economically viable previously.
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sungam
1y ago
Not tried but my guess is ChatGPT will be quite accurate but get a small proportion wrong. The challenge with skin cancer is that we cannot afford to miss even 1:10,000 cases
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sungam
1y ago
For an experienced front end dev yes - for the average dermatologist no chance!
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sungam
1y ago
This is true - there are more than 2000 different conditions in dermatology but the most important ones to recognise are skin cancers
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sungam
1y ago
There would be no reason to do this - skin lesions removed are almost always sent for pathological analysis even if expected to be harmless
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sungam
1y ago
That's great! I used the publicly available images from the ISIC challenge dataset which are CC licensed.
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks - I'm glad you found it useful! I have been meaning to make it for many years but could never justify the time involved until AI made it possible.
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sungam
1y ago
Yes we call this the "Ugly Duckling" sign
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sungam
1y ago
Yes a doctor would get a history which will help, however I get a high score on these images and another skin cancer doctor that commented also got a high score so in most cases the diagnosis can be made accurately on the image alone.
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sungam
1y ago
There are lots of apps that do this. It's (relatively) easy to get AI to perform at the same level of a dermatologist but liability/risk management/regulation is much harder to solve
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks for your comment - the purpose of this app is patient education rather than diagnosis but I will definitely have a look at the relevant stats in more detail!
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sungam
1y ago
Will add this in next version!
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sungam
1y ago
It is randomized so probably just bad luck! FWIW I get a high score and another skin cancer doctor who commented also gets a high score so it is possible to make the diagnosis in most cases on the basis of these images.
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks for your kind words with regards to the app and well done for getting such a high score!. I agree that BCC is often subtle. My practice is also largely focused on skin cancer. I would say that the majority of melanomas (and SCCs) tha
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks for the suggestion I will do this if I can source the images
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sungam
1y ago
Yes I could add this quite easily - will do in the next version
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sungam
1y ago
Lots of models out there but I would not trust any for diagnosis without review of a dermatologist yet. The challenge is unanticipated edge cases and managing risk/liability/regulation. I have no doubt that if a major AI company f
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sungam
1y ago
Sorry - wasn't expecting anyone to use the app or any traction on HN! Will update
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks for this - and thanks for maintaining this incredibly useful resource. What would be the best way to contact you?
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sungam
1y ago
Thanks for this - I need to look at this more carefully
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sungam
1y ago
I agree with you - if a patient is concerned by a specific skin lesion and requests removal then I will support this even it appears harmless particularly if it is new or changing
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sungam
1y ago
This is why dermatology involves risk management not just image interpretation. Yes the lesion will likely change with time. Realistically yes, if you have a melanoma that looks like a harmless mole then the diagnosis is likely to be delaye
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sungam
1y ago
Making an app like this is (relatively) straightforward. The challenge is managing liability / risk / regulation. For individual doctors we accept that some errors will occur and there is a well defined insurance / liability
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sungam
1y ago
Unfortunately not that useful - we could do that now by taking a very small (e.g. 2mm) punch biopsy, and if it shows melanoma obviously that is helpful and the rest of the lesion needs to be removed. The issue is that a negative result does
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sungam
1y ago
No - the app is just asking users to give their own opinion on publicly available images so there is no duty of care
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