sbpayne

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GPT-5.4 in OpenClaw doesn't suck. Your prompts do(skylarbpayne.com)
2 points by sbpayne 5mo ago|1 comments
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by sbpayne 5mo ago
So many people complained about using GPT 5.4 in OpenClaw... But after some tuning, it actually works great?
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Agreed! And I hope that we see the principles emerge in many other frameworks to make all our lives a little bit simpler
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
the bitter lesson comes for us all, unfortunately!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Thank you! Let me know if anything could be more clear, always something I can improve here I'm sure :)
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
yeah the point I want to get across is less "you should use Dspy" and more "understand Dspy, so you are intentionally implementing the capabilities you need" Implementations are generally always going to be messy; and st
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
You can see many people saying this in the comments :). I personally think this misses the core of what Dspy "is". Dspy encourages you to write your code in a way that better enables optimization, yes (and provides direct abstract
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think many people have the same experience! And that's the point I'm trying to make. There are patterns here that are worth adopting, whether or not you're using Dspy :)
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think the reality is that prompt optimization is one of the only "legible benefits" (ie easy to understand why its valuable). But I think it misses the point of what Dspy "is". It's less that Dspy is about prompt
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
we have been using Agent Framework. I also have been eyeing LlmTornado. Personally, I find dotnet as a whole hard to implement the kind of abstractions I want to have to make it ergonomic to implement AI stuff. I've been fiddling aroun
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think automatic optimization is valuable, but it's not what Dspy "is"; you can see this consistently through @lateinteraction's tweets. And hopefully it's clear enough from the post: I'm not necessarily sugge
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
The "whole product" idea here makes a lot of sense to me. I think this is often a big barrier to adoption for sure!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
yeah this is the main point I wanted to get across! I rarely recommend people to use Dspy; but I think Dspy is often so polarizing that people "throw out the baby with the bathwater". They decide not to use Dspy, but also don&#x27
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
This is very true! I could have been more careful/precise in how I worded this. I was really trying to just get across that it's in a sense easier than some tasks that can be much more open ended. I'll think about how to word
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think in some sense, this is the real thing everyone wants. Everything else is kind of an implementation detail! Would be really curious to see what you're building!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Great feedback! I took for granted that people reading would be familiar with what Dspy is. I'll try to add this in tonight to introduce folks better. Thank you!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
To be clear: I don't know that I would recommend using it, exactly. I would just make sure you understand the lessons so you see how it best makes sense to apply to your project :)
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think the core challenge here is that being able to (in "development") quickly change the prompt or other parameters and re-run the system to see how it changes is really valuable for making a tight iteration loop. It's ann
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
This is definitely a mistake! What contact section are you referring to? The only references to contact I see in this post now are at the end where I linked to my X/LinkedIn profiles but those links look right to me?
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I have never heard of this! I took a quick look. I think I'm definitely not in the right audience for a tool like this, as I am more comfortable just writing code. But I think putting a UI over things like this _forces_ the underlying
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I saw this some time ago! I personally have a distaste for external DSLs as I think it generally introduces complexity that I don't think is actually worthwhile, so I skipped over it. Also why I'm very "meh" on BAML.
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Yeah, I find it hard to recommend Dspy. At the same time, I can't escape the observation that many companies are re-implementing a lot of parts of it. So I think it's important to at least learn from what Dspy is :)
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I personally haven't looked super closely at ADK. But I would love if someone more knowledgeable could do a sort of comparison. I imagine there are a lot of similar/shared ideas!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think this is an important point! I am actually a big fan of doing what works in the language(s) you're already using. For example: I don't use Dspy at work! And I'm working in a primarily dotnet stack, so we definitely don
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
I think all of these things are table-stakes; yet I see that they are implemented/supported poorly across many companies. All I'm saying is there are some patterns here that are important, and it makes sense to enter into building
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Yes! I have also felt this. I highly recommend taking a look at Maxime's template adapter: https://github.com/dspy-community/dspy-template-adapter I think it solves some of this friction!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Oh 100%! There are many problems (including this one!) that probably aren't best suited for an LLM. I was just trying to pick a really simple example that most people would follow.
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Yeah! I can agree with this. There's some improved ergonomics to get here
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
hahaha this is true!
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by sbpayne 6mo ago
Highly recommend following @jxnl on X for consulting / positioning / pricing

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