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rundmc
1y ago
What's the use case for a tontine?
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rundmc
1y ago
Is there any way for immigrants to avoid the 27 vaccines mandated by the CDC?
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rundmc
1y ago
Well we will all die eventually. Perhaps it's better to say that: "With a tontine, others of the same age and sex bet that you’ll die before them".
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rundmc
1y ago
You will enjoy playing with this then: https://tontine.com/lifetime-income-calculator/#tontinator I look forward to your thoughts
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1y ago
Great entertainment although the Simpsons did the best fictional Tontine IMHO: https://tontine.com/videos/simpsons/ That said, each Last Will & Testament creates the same scenario and (unlike in a Tontine) you
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1y ago
In theory yes, but in practice, no such cases ever existed. A good example is that the collapse of Swiss Air created am accidental Tontine among its pension beneficiaries. Rather than trying to bump each other off, they meet up every year t
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1y ago
Good point. I mean retirement tontines and tontine trust funds that pay members an income for life secured against hard assets rather than ROSCA tontines which are community savings vehicles designed for short term borrowing between members
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1y ago
There are versions of this 'ROSCA' Tontine in most countries and continents in the world. In the past when formed among strangers they have proven to be super susceptible to scams. Where they work is when each member of the group
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1y ago
Ahead of the launch of the first Tontine company in over 100 years, we have heard similar comments from many parents and for that reason have now created the Tontine Trust Fund. The regular Tontine Trust is for parents that want to avoid th
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1y ago
As the founder of the first Tontine company in over 100 years, I cannot agree more.
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2y ago
Well insurance is in case something you don't want happens (die young) whereas a tontine is in case something you do want (live long) happens. I'd call that a major difference but then again I'm biased.
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3y ago
FYI, after looking at about 20 banks we opted to go with Amnis in CH which uses Currency Cloud as its backbone. Their UI is excellent and I've just noted that they have a double-sided reward for new clients such that if you register wi
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3y ago
I've been with them since the beginning and have had my suggestions included in the UI (e.g. account nicknames) but as far as I can tell they're in some sort of freefall. Something has gone badly wrong in there and the only answer
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3y ago
"inverse life insurance" that's an interesting way to describe a tontine
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4y ago
He essentially admitted this in recent calls so it's a 'safe' charge that the SEC used to get him arrested in Bahamas and presumably his personal assets will also now be frozen while they assemble the rest of the consumer fra
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4y ago
Perhaps you should send your supporting evidence to the UK government because right now they are going all in on shifting the pensions industry to a Tontine style CDC model. The email of The Pension Regulator is report@tpr.gov.uk Don't
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4y ago
The OECD has just published it's updated Pensions Outlook which explains to governments how to implement Asset Backed Tontine style pensions to make the global pensions sector more financially robust and to better serve the needs of re
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4y ago
Mohammed, Connect with me on LinkedIN. We could be interested to include a posterity subscription for clients when we launch the US version of https://tontine.com in the coming months. Cheers Dean
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rundmc
4y ago
You are using a dead mans switch or another method to confirm death?
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4y ago
Gross oversimplification: CEO - Works on the business, focuses on the big picture. COO - Works in the business, focuses on the detailed execution.
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4y ago
Brilliant. Patents are super hard to read because they language used is usually overly verbose and unintuitive. I'm hoping that I substitute plain english words for lengthy patent jargon so that I can actually read the things for once.
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rundmc
4y ago
Shameless plug: https://tontine.com are hiring Haskellers to roll out their provably secure lifetime income pensions which are now endorsed by the OECD.
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4y ago
Tontines are perfectly legal: https://tontine.com/news/tontines-can-a-pension-this-good-be...
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4y ago
The liabilities of the insurer are typically fixed amounts regardless of investment performance or changes in mortality. If and when the insurer miscalculates they will be wiped out if their assets don't match their liabilities. Modern
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4y ago
But if you live so long that you run out of money then you become a financial liability to your family. That's why longevity insurance makes sense.
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4y ago
I still can't believe the price they quoted us for it. Sometimes it makes no sense to haggle.
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4y ago
If it's a DC pension such as a 401k or an IRA then they punish you for living longer because they once they run out that's it.
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4y ago
Tontines have no liabilities so do not need guarantees. Therefore incomes do not suffer from the underwriting fees of insurers. This means that tontine payments typically start meaningfully higher than annuities at the outset even before th
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4y ago
Tontines are perfectly legal. See: https://tontine.com/news/tontines-can-a-pension-this-good-be...
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4y ago
But the annuity only 'rewards' your longevity if you live 15-20 years or more because that is the bare minimum it takes to get back your capital.
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