robmen

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by robmen 5y ago
Once again, someone else is far more pithy than I. +1
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by robmen 5y ago
The title came from a comment from one of the maintainers of the WiX Toolset. I called the initial missteps a "maintainer kerfuffle" and he responded, "As long as it doesn't turn into a brouhaha". Now that I think a
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by robmen 5y ago
As far as I can tell, Jon and Scott are Microsoft dev evangelists. It really isn't their place to step into .NET Foundation issues. It might be even more weird if they did try weigh in.
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by robmen 5y ago
Yes but I never had the copyright in the first place. This isn't about the copyright. I know I don't own it. This is about control of the project.
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by robmen 5y ago
You should raise that feature request with GitHub. It's a good idea.
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by robmen 5y ago
Meh. Other people here have pointed out it sends email to the people in the GitHub Enterprise. So, they probably missed a place to add auditing. To that point, I've had GitHub people tell me they never imagined the feature I used to ge
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by robmen 5y ago
Hah, hah, hah, that's actually pretty good.
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by robmen 5y ago
No.
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by robmen 5y ago
Rodney is closer to many things than I but my experience shows these are the root issues: > does too little to help its member projects, and lacks a strong sense of mission or purpose. That's on the .NET Foundation, not Microsoft.
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by robmen 5y ago
Sure but I'm most interested in the project as a whole. And: > And there are advantages to a legally well protected entity holding the copyright.
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by robmen 5y ago
I might agree with parts of what you are saying but when the channel to communicate back to the "powers that be" is broken and you face (what feels like) an existential threat, the public forum is an enticing, sometimes effective
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by robmen 5y ago
You are exactly correct here. This isn't about Microsoft or GitHub. It is solely about the .NET Foundation's actions.
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by robmen 5y ago
This may have nailed the issue most closely yet. It took you a lot fewer words than me too. :)
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by robmen 5y ago
Something is really wrong right now that's why they might be meeting every day. Your experience with the Eclipse Foundation is very different from how the .NET Foundation has interacted. On top of that, communication has been very po
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by robmen 5y ago
No worries. I disagree with a couple parts of your position but that doesn't mean you are wrong. :) I also happen to agree with the bulk of it.
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by robmen 5y ago
Those are all possible futures.
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by robmen 5y ago
Because they are separate. Have you wanted the .NET Foundation and Microsoft interact?
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by robmen 5y ago
You are exactly correct. It isn't necessary to drag GitHub or Microsoft into the conversation. They aren't involved in this situation.
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by robmen 5y ago
Not in my case. The article explains how the copyright transfer was executed.
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by robmen 5y ago
What? Code of Conduct says stuff like, don't be mean to other people. It's a lot like: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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by robmen 5y ago
Well, the .NET Foundation also holds the copyright and provides the CLA bots. But the great bulk of your point is correct.
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by robmen 5y ago
My case is a little special because I developed the WiX Toolset when I was an employee at Microsoft. I never owned the copyright (Microsoft did). So, I wouldn't be asking for the copyright back... I'd be asking for it for the firs
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by robmen 5y ago
Repeating myself but it's applicable here too: I'm curious about this too. I was told (by someone at GitHub) that the features I used to do the move are brand new and were not expected to be used the way I did. It is very possible
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by robmen 5y ago
I'm curious about this too. I was told (by someone at GitHub) that the features I used to do the move are brand new and not expected to be used the way I did. It is very possible pieces are missing in the audit trail GitHub creates. Me
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by robmen 5y ago
Someone else noted that it may only send emails to the person that kicked the process off. I don't know, I don't own a GitHub Enterprise to try.
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by robmen 5y ago
No problem. I'm really just trying to keep the story straight. The only issue I have with the timing is that I told them I was not comfortable with them as admin on the repo yet as soon as they were made admin (to fix the CLA bot, wh
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by robmen 5y ago
I don't think you've seen the .NET Foundation and Microsoft interact then.
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by robmen 5y ago
Yes, exactly. Thank you.
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by robmen 5y ago
You are correct about communication being the core of the issue. I understand what you are saying with "If they ask you for X permission, you cant just say no, sorry but you are part of an organization and it doesnt work that way"
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by robmen 5y ago
Why? Were you planning to contribute source code to the .NET Foundation?

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