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recitedropper
7d ago
Seems like a great way to crush dissent. But respect to you for replying to me. I wish you only the best in moderating, and I hope that this forum can remain healthy--especially in a time where enormously well-funded actors are flexing thei
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recitedropper
8d ago
What? He quotes the opening line of the article, and notes that he reacts negatively to it. Interpreting his sentiment as "curmudgeonly" is a clear exaggeration. And sure--it isn't a high-substance comment, but it isn't
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recitedropper
8d ago
I don't comment on HN much, and I don't really expect HN comments to hold to rigorous standards. This forum is more casual than other places on the internet where people expect heavy citations. I also wasn't expecting this to
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recitedropper
8d ago
People always napkin math something low, and then every academic who formally studies it ends up with a much higher estimate. I await OpenAI's carbon footprint field.
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8d ago
This is such a strange reply I don't even know what to do with it. Good on you for being vegan, and not prompting? I have gone lacto-ovo vegetarian in the past year, so I'll take your 5 years of veganism as inspiration. Otherwise,
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recitedropper
8d ago
Someone needs to name this fallacy. The existence of existing harmful norms does not, ex ante, justify introducing additional harmful norms. I propose naming it the "GenAI Defender Fallacy". Separately--yes, I would love carbon re
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8d ago
The sheer waste that accompanies image and video genAI is actually terrifying. I challenge OpenAI to put a "your carbon footprint" field next to each generation. If you have nothing to hide, more information is surely better, righ
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8d ago
I elaborated on my use of "dark forest" in another reply. We're headed for a dark forest--not amongst interstellar civilizations, but in intellectual work. I agree that we have not solved the Fermi paradox; I disagree that co
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8d ago
I also think the trope is a little overused, but do wonder if there is an interesting analogy for what this will do to research: Massively incentivize keeping results secret, to avoid being scooped by someone willing to throw enormous compu
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8d ago
Sad turn of events for our world. After watching the behavior of the most senior OpenAI researchers on twitter, I feel even less confident in them as a team to be shepherding this much capital and compute. The dark forest awaits..
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1mo ago
This is such a good analogy, I might have to steal it. :)
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2mo ago
Pair this with the Hugging Face incident, and it hints that OpenAI is currently training their models to aggressively reward hack. That doesn't feel like a good sign to me--for the AI bull or the AI bear cases.
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2mo ago
Yes, this discovery is surprisingly similar to the recent counterexamples LLMs have been finding for mathematical conjectures: a semi-novel construction, built on previous work, that feels like it was found with enormous search and an okay
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2mo ago
Vibe code giveth, vibe code taketh.
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2mo ago
I can't agree with this more. May cooler, more compassionate minds prevail.
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2mo ago
As your writing seems to allude to, life is an impossibly complicated series of trade-offs made with imperfect information, so I definitely wouldn't consider joining an AI frontier lab to be a priori bad. Even if I have some qualms wit
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2mo ago
No worries! Thanks for engaging. Fun to have the rare kindly-resolved internet discussion.
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recitedropper
2mo ago
Hmm, links for what? My student project? The decisions that face humanity that are pretty clearly modellable as prisoner's dilemmas? Otherwise not sure what I could cite--I would assume most all on this forum know that AI is trained on
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2mo ago
Nothing but respect to TurnTrout for taking an action like this. The world needs more smart people who are willing to stand for what they feel is right, despite the pressures otherwise. Without that occurring more, our species is going to l
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2mo ago
There is a very real contingent of people driving AI who genuinely believe this. And it is this belief that allows them to avoid their cognitive dissonance around the negative externalities of their work. For the environment, and really for
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2mo ago
Don't worry, just a few more months until we get AGI and all of our problems magically disappear as the singularity changes everything forever. Why care for current iterations of nature, when we will all get to experience infinite vari
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2mo ago
I agree with you--but just fyi I think "antifragile" is generally used in the opposite to what you mean. If I'm remember correctly Taleb has tried to coin it as a precise word to describe the inverse of your phenomena: System
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2mo ago
Tell me you don't understand Taleb without telling me you don't understand Taleb.
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3mo ago
The cult in this case is TESCREAL, not everyone working on AI. Last I checked not all the "several thousand skilled workers" in AI subscribe to TESCREAL ideology, although it has been a while since I've been to the Bay. Maybe
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3mo ago
Do you see the pattern as new accounts tending to boost or criticis $LLM_PROVIDER? I think I see both... Either way, I agree that HN is quickly becoming more manipulated and low SNR, like the rest of the entire internet.
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3mo ago
"Carefully and thoughtfully" is antithetical to the approach to benchmarks these days. Maybe back when this was a scientific endeavor; not now when enormous, enormous amounts of capital are on the line. Along with an entire cult&#
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3mo ago
I am having a similar sentiment change about our industry as well. The more AI's marketing plays purely on fear and shame, the more I want to see it fail. If Anthropic, OpenAI, and the other power players continue in this direction, I
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4mo ago
Interesting: New account, made approximately 20 minutes after this was posted, to solely call this out as slop. Someone either hates Anthropic, or something fishy is going on here. Honestly I'm pretty tired of Anthropic's press re
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4mo ago
Completely agreed. It looks like there is a concerted effort to "massage" opinion away from any substantial questioning of the ethics, companies, and people behind the AI push. Some of this inevitabilism is organic of course, but
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4mo ago
The opening line of my parent comment is: "This is impressive, no question." I am impressed, and the chain you are replying to is questioning how much that impression should be tempered. They pay people for expert training data th
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