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How the EU's DMA is making smartphones better
(digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu)
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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December
(open-web-advocacy.org)
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1y ago
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mtomweb
1y ago
We do talk to the browser vendors. The bundle ID one by itself ensures it's unviable project. That's why 15 months in, there are no alternative browser engines in the EU.
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mtomweb
1y ago
Thanks so much! it’s been a four-year journey just to get this far, and none of it would have been possible without the volunteers who donate their time just for the belief in a better future for the web! Will be passing this comment on!
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mtomweb
1y ago
1. If you use either "Safari" or "Chrome" on iOS, then Apple gets paid. That's 97% of the market on iOS. 2. Many of those games could be rewritten in WebGPU/WebGL2.. if it saved them 30% appstore tax, and the i
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mtomweb
1y ago
And it can’t just be the woefully insufficient TestFlight 10k users because there are possible upwards of a million developers who need to test their websites/web apps in the EU.
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mtomweb
1y ago
I would also add: - Install Prompts / Discoverability - Bugs (like https://github.com/web-platform-tests/interop/issues/84 ) which likely would only get fixed if Safari has heavy competition on iOS (it&#x
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mtomweb
1y ago
Apple hasn’t resolved any of the main issues. Install and discoverability is still hidden. Push is gated behind install. Safari’s scroll bugs haven’t been fixed despite us extensively documenting them, emailing to Safari’s leadership and r
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2y ago
Author here, this was supposed to be when the user installs a new browser it has the option to call an OS api to ask the user if they would like to set the newly installed browser as the default. This could have reasonable anti-spam protect
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mtomweb
2y ago
Happy to answer questions about the report if anyone has any!
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mtomweb
3y ago
We use web apps to mean ones that act like apps, rather than websites. Readers are not confused, and I don’t think you are. A distraction to try and defend Apple?
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mtomweb
3y ago
Apple has single-handedly killed off mobile web apps from being viable on both iOS and Android, have deprived Firefox billions of dollars of revenue and strangled every other browser out of the most valuable marketplace. They do this why ta
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3y ago
Are you on 17.4 beta 2? If so I’ll have more questions. People have been saying it's working for them in the EU: the Apple's detection is complex and seem to take into account different parameters, like the ios region, but also th
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3y ago
This person is incorrect and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You need to look at the full video of it action to realize the difference in behavior from 17.3 and 17.4 beta 1 and beta 2
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3y ago
in Safari/webkit or more broadly?
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mtomweb
3y ago
That's a poor take. The issue is that because there is no browser competition on iOS, Apple doesn't need to fear losing market share. That in turn ensures they have no reason to invest in Safari or web apps. Apple has the staff a
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mtomweb
3y ago
It was only as a result of regulatory pressure
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mtomweb
3y ago
I run https://open-web-advocacy.org and we’re the reason browser engines and web apps were included in the DMA. We know lots of developers in the EU.
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Apple broke web apps in iOS 17 beta, still hasn't fixed them
(theregister.com)
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3y ago
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mtomweb
3y ago
We’ve had more than 10 people test it, and it completely breaks all PWAs. Why are you trusting some randoms tweet as a credible source?
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3y ago
They've had 2 years since the final text of the DMA was written. From memory I think we saw it in Feb/Mar 2022. In the text of the DMA it says "When gatekeepers operate and impose web browser engines, they are in a position t
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Web devs fear Apple's iOS shakeup for Europe will be a nightmare for support
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3y ago
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OWA's Review of Apple's DMA Compliance Proposal for the Web
(open-web-advocacy.org)
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3y ago
We believe that third party browsers should be allowed to compete fairly on iOS using the same engines they safely deliver to every other platform. Further, that Web Apps enabled by the functionality, stability and security delivered via in
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Safari does not compete on any OS other than MacOS. It was placing no competitive pressure on chrome, and Apple most certainly cost Firefox many billions in search revenue due to lost market share on iOS. Also our main and primary goal is t
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There's a ton to go through, we're working on a story for late next week that will go through all the detail. We wanted to make sure the story was out there, and that we posted all the links so that people could go through it. +
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mtomweb
3y ago
yeah sorry about that, we're all computer nerds, English is not our strong point.
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3y ago
Fixing the issues with In-app browsers is one of our highest priorities. It’s made complex by what’s possible within the scope of the Digital Markets Act. Your spot on that this is a really important issue. If you’d like to help out with th
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New Digital Competition Laws for Australia
(open-web-advocacy.org)
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3y ago
The Australian government has agreed to new competition laws for digital platforms! This is excellent news and will pave the way for fair and effective browser competition on all operating systems & allow Web Apps to compete on an equal
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