lechatonnoir

8 ms·

1.
by lechatonnoir 8mo ago
I mean... you can't think of any ways that AI could actually generate new value? Or more abstractly, of a way that Jevons' paradox can't apply in the case of AI?
2.
by lechatonnoir 8mo ago
i think by your logic, they only thing that they do that is condescending is to say that an interview is not guaranteed. people are mentioning that they do this for a reason, which explains away that behavior, so yeah, it kinda does change
3.
by lechatonnoir 9mo ago
it's kind of hard to tell what your position is here. should people not ask chatbots how to scrape html? should people not purchase RAM to run chatbots locally?
4.
by lechatonnoir 10mo ago
i think in this thread the goalposts were slowly moved. people were initially talking about success being predicted by having the excess necessary to comfortably take many shots on goal. it seems like we've granted that this $250k shot
5.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I'm pretty sure there's no reason that Anthropic has to do research on open models, it's just that they produced their result on open models so that you can reproduce their result on open models without having access to the
6.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Hmm, that might be possible, but that's essentially not what I assumed. At the very least, they operate on the same hardware, so Autopilot is in some sense "intentionally bad" as a whole.
7.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I am sure that there are some people who exhibit the behaviors you're describing, but I really don't think the group as a whole is disinterested in prior work or discussion of philosophy in general: https://www.lesswron
8.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Here's a collection of debates about that topic: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/85mfawamKdxzzaPeK/any-good-c... I personally don't have that much of an interest in this topic, so I can't critique t
9.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I am really not sure where you get any of these ideas. For each of your critiques, there are not only discussions, but taxonomies of compendiums of discussions about the topics at hand on LessWrong, which can easily be found by Googling any
10.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well, yeah, I think it's a pretty socially unaware thing to say about yourself out loud, so that's a pretty strong filter there. It's rather different for a community to say that's a standard they aspire to, which is a l
11.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I suppose you're right about that, so I can't make the argument go through by saying "mathematics" vs "philosophy". Maybe what I should say instead is that as some dialectics advance/technologies develop,
12.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I think you're conflating different groups of people pretty severely. "shunned" in particular is a really strong word, e.g, global health and biosecurity are two of the named categories at the most central EA events: https:&
13.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well, on a meta level, I think their community has decided that in general it's better to post (and subsequently be able to discuss) ideas that one is not yet very confident about, and ideally that's what the "epistemic statu
14.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Aside from the remark given in the other reply to your comment, I wonder what the standard is: how quickly should a community appear to correct its incorrect beliefs for them to not count as sheep?
15.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
> They don't really ever show a sense of "hey, I've got a thought, maybe I haven't considered all angles to it, maybe I'm wrong - but here it is". The type of people that would be embarrassed to not have an
16.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well, sure, but mathematics is the domain for which this holds maybe the most true out of any. It's less true for fields which are not as old. I'm not sure if this counterpoint generalizes entirely to the original critique, since
17.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
This is such a pointless, tired take. You want to say this guy's experience isn't reproducible? That's one thing, but that's probably not the case unless you're assuming they're pretty stupid themselves. You wa
18.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I think the idea is, why would the visualization be so intentionally bad in the Autopilot version as to not detect the kids entirely? What benefit does that confer, or, from another perspective, what software constraint forces this to be th
19.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I would like to understand how you ideally imagine a person solving issues of this type. I'm for understanding things instead of hacking at them in general, and this tendency increases the more central the things to understand are to t
20.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I relate to this a bit, and on a meta level I think the only way out is through. I'm trying to embrace optimizing the big picture process for my enjoyment and for positive and long-term effective mental states, which does include think
21.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I basically agree, but with the caveat that the tradeoff is the opposite for a bunch of tedious things that I don't want to invest time into getting better at, or which maybe I only do rarely.
22.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well said, these things are actually in a tradeoff with each other. I feel like a lot of people somehow imagine that you could have the best of both, which is incoherent short of mind-reading + already having clear ideas in the first place.
23.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well said about the fact that they can't introspect, and I agree with your tip about starting with fresh context, and about when to give up. I feel like this thread is full of strawmen from people who want to come up with reasons they
24.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well, in that case, the LLM company has made a mistake in marketing their product, but that's not the same as the question of whether the product works.
25.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I somehow can't reply to your child comment. It depends on whether the cost of search or of verification dominates. When searching for common consumer products, yeah, this isn't likely to help much, and in a sense the scales are t
26.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
One question is whether, even after all that backpedaling, you feel you could've achieved the same or a similar result in those five days. My findings have been that it's a net plus for productivity, but I'm a bit less sure w
27.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
Well, the first thing they said was that it at least removed the need for their commute, which might be something. In general, it does take resources to create the conditions for people to work. Maybe there will be room for new value for th
28.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
I am mocking you, but you didn't get it.
29.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
you assert that people know a killer app when they see one a bunch of people think that something like chatgpt is a killer app, and they know it when they see it. you assert that it obviously is not, so clearly the above intuition isn'
30.
by lechatonnoir 1y ago
"gdm pioneered rl" is definitely not actually right, but it's correct to assert that they were huge players. people who knew from context that your statement was broadly not actually right would know what you mean and agree o

More ›