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knightoffaith
2y ago
Some more data - the math geniuses I knew were actually happier, more well-rounded, and fitter than the average person at my former school.
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Hm, interesting! I see advertisements for meat too, but I generally don't get the impression of them trying to say meat isn't unhealthy. I mean, by and large, it does seem true that pushing veganism or vegetarianism would have a p
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I don't know the data on this, but I'm surprised you're doubtful. Don't you think the media and doctors alike have been pushing the idea that plant-based diets are healthier? My doctor suggests a plant-based diet for hea
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I'll have to dive into those references to see what "prudent diet with lean meat" means exactly.
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But I wonder if the high saturated fat content in fattier meats and meat's higher caloric content are still confounders here. I would be shocked if controlling for calories, saturated fat, and fiber still yielded differences in these r
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2y ago
People pushing these views (views I am highly sympathetic to, to be sure) often don't understand how to communicate them properly to people who don't already agree with them. People are already resistant to changing their minds
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This reminds me of how, if I recall correctly, in the original paper on adversarial attacks, the authors found that adversarial attacks on one neural network would generally have some success on other neural networks if they were trained fo
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Definitely, Neoplatonism was a big influence on Abrahamic philosophical thought. Though the real locus classicus for God is Aristotle's Metaphysics , specifically his description of the unmoved mover. There are some not-so-minor diffe
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So, I think if saying "the earth is round" is true and saying the earth is round mean different things, then we haven't construed the former properly, the former should be construed as expressing the same thing as the latter.
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>So this is false In the second argument, could you tell me which of (1) and (2) are incorrect, and why? If it's the quotes that are problematic, I'm fine to drop those. The earth is round, regardless of whether people have thi
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>Sure. I'm just skeptical that the people reading philosophy for fun are reading Wittgenstein. I'm sure a lot of them are. >I'm just saying that the historical trend has been for science to solve philosophical problems
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2y ago
right, there is something modal going on here, but in terms of the formal mathematical tool of modal logic, Spinoza isn't using them, though I think you understood that from the start.
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>Right, and I thought Aquinas' take was that he must be capable of doing otherwise, but doesn't. Yep, that's right. >are they countable? Spinoza doesn't specify. But yep, in principle other attributes could be perc
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2y ago
>Did you read it? Do you accept it? Accept what specifically? Here's what I understand you to be saying, and you're free to reframe this. 1. Propositions are ideas. 2. Ideas can only exist if they are conceived. 3. "The e
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>music yoga I would wager that most people who enjoy listening to music at some point have hummed some tune, sung in the shower, or something like this. If your point is that merely the act of listening itself is enjoyable, then that see
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>It's "X is a faithful reflection of the actual state of affairs in objective reality." That's what the word "true" means. As you've said earlier. This sounds like a reasonable construal of the word tru
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>No, we were talking about (or at least I was talking about) how many people get value out of philosophy who don't practice it, at least as amateurs. Is philosophy like music or is it like yoga? I'm on team yoga. Well, I'v
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>Well, sort of All that's fine---but I think you would agree that Fermat's last theorem isn't true by virtue of its utility for counting sheep or anything like that. Similarly, I don't think that the fact the physical
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I'm not sure how that contradicts what I've said or why this means we should abolish philosophy departments. And for what it's worth, philosophy today tends to be clearer (to us at least), e.g. Dennett's work.
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>philosophy makes people confused for no good reason, is boring and even when "understood" doesn't provide any tangible benefit to people's lives. I mean, maybe this is true for some people, but there are a lot of peo
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Maybe so, but I don't see why every discipline needs to be evaluated purely on "benefit for humanity" in the sense of scientific or technological progress, if that's what you're implying. There's more to humani
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>There are no Platonic truths, only preferred models. Yeah, I disagree, I think there's something mathematical truths reflect that are independent of the physical world. When we decide whether certain mathematical claims are true or
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>Also, 2 is not a logical implication of 1. One can never rule out the possibility that, say, all human behavior is controlled by evil demons. What I would say is that my version of 1 is very compelling evidence for 2, and one of the thi
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We were originally talking about how many people who weren't philosophers enjoyed philosophy---what happened to that? But whatever, we can set that aside if you'd like, I'm kind of curious to hear - what do you think was lost
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I don't think you'll change your mind on that regardless of what I say, so I'll refrain from engaging that particular point. What do you think is the relevant difference between philosophy and music that makes it silly to stu
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OK, let's be completely, utterly, crystal clear about this. 1. I observe that people who do not base their actions on sensory experience do stupid things. 2. Therefore, true knowledge or justification comes primarily from sensory exper
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They are both ontological proofs, yep. Though Godel is using modal logic, which won't be invented for centuries until after Spinoza's time.
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>Creation is the maximal object that could be created from God Well, just the only one, but I suppose the maximal element of a set with one element is just that element, so yeah. >Creation determines God, in that God is the minimal ob
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Fine, fine, replace only with primarily, and reread the comment, that's not a crucial point.
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>who do not also enjoy engaging in philosophical debates. Philosophical debates as in talking with other random people about philosophy? Sure, I'm sure most people who have read these books enjoy that. But that's not doing phil
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