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kaffiene
16y ago
Are you kidding? You are a moron - this is as close to a smoking gun as you can get. You did get the part that there was NO relationship between the meaningless search phrases and the returned page right? What POSSIBLE situation could ex
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kaffiene
16y ago
I've looked at it and thought it looked like a very clean and (for a functional language) quite readable. But the ties to MS's VM dooms it IMO. If they made it cross platform (JVM and / or native compilation) and put it in third party hand
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kaffiene
16y ago
I've been writing Java for a while now. I've never seen nor written code anything like that. Heavy use of generics is usually hidden away in APIs and don't usually occur in non-trivial ways in normal code.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Saying that you can't think functionaly in Java is not a "bad habit" - that's a style choice. Likewise, being verbose is not a bad habit - it's an issue of style. As for global state - using singletons is a design decision. If you don't li
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kaffiene
16y ago
I think it's telling that the Hacker News crowd has almost nothing to say about this article. America is burning. The elite don't care.
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kaffiene
16y ago
It should be an operating system. In practice, it's a religion
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kaffiene
16y ago
GCC targets way more platforms and compiles way more languages than the Intel and MS compilers do. That's not an apples and oranges comparison.
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kaffiene
16y ago
You need to know what's in the Java libraries if you want to write to the Java libraries. If your code is all self contained, then you don't. So - open a Swing JFrame and you need to know where that is in the API and how to call it.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Practically, I don't think it really matters at all. But it's a very significant symbolic move. It sends a message about where the Java community is now in relation to Oracle. Of more concern will be Apache's attitude to new development in
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kaffiene
16y ago
You can't do sophisticated GC in C. The memory model of the JVM is important - it knows what is a pointer and what is data, which is important for efficient GC.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Not true. The VM is very important. The consistent & unified memory model is why Java can do synchronising, threading, garbage collection efficiently, cross platform and consistently. Also, HotSpot is really important. Java is an acc
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kaffiene
16y ago
I don't believe that the GPL gives you patent protection. (GPL 3 does, but this is the GPL 2 I think)
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kaffiene
16y ago
Oracle has been quite clear that Java will continue as it always has for normal, non-paying customers. Only the JRockit stuff which they were already charging for will be pay-for in the future. But whatever, FUD away.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Bullshit. I work at a .NET shop who had to interoperate with another company developing WSDL based webservice in Java. They could do a whole bunch of stuff that we weren't able to do because Visual Studio didn't support all the stuff that
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kaffiene
16y ago
Actually, the results showed that there were a much greater range of Java programmer abilities than most other languages. There were more Java programmers in the top 10 than any other language, so asserting that Java is just for 'average'
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kaffiene
16y ago
It's ironic since (as someone who was a C programmer for ages) we used to be seen as the uncultured pragmatists. Yeah, C is kinda crude but it's fast. When did that get turned into Hippydom? I'da thought all those dynamic languages were
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kaffiene
16y ago
I was excited about Go until I started reading how it actually works. It seems to be retrograde in many respects and nowhere near a step forward with systems development languages. I see little to make you move from C++ to Go, and I hate
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kaffiene
16y ago
I don't really see this as having much effect on Java at all. I see a lot of nerd rage at Oracle for how they've managed Java so far (including from me - I think Elison is a douche) but face it - nerds ain't the target market for Java. Ne
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kaffiene
16y ago
Exactly. The Java ecosystem is vital and people will not move until there's something to fill that void.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Come on. Saying "yay Github" does not mean that Git/Github have 'won'. What does it even mean to say that, anyway? "Yay Mercurial!" there we are, hg wins!! Whoo!! Who the hell thought this counted as news? Even as opinion, it's wishy wa
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kaffiene
16y ago
But LISP is immune to bugs!?! What gives??
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kaffiene
16y ago
Apple are the arch facists
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kaffiene
16y ago
The article is FUD. Java is too important to too many people to not be around any time soon. Also, there's a GPL'd release and IBM's Java.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Why?
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kaffiene
16y ago
Minecraft and Tribal Trouble are two rather good games written in Java
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kaffiene
16y ago
Exactly! And that's just the kind of things the computer should be doing for you, not the other way around.
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kaffiene
16y ago
I disagree with Eckel on this one. The reality is that most of your tests end up being a matter of testing the things that the compiler would have done for you for free and that's the kind of thing that computers should be doing, not peopl
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kaffiene
16y ago
You do realise that 'client side' includes people's own machines, right? You don't need to do applets for those. Besides, applets are way way better now than they used to be.
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kaffiene
16y ago
Why bother? All Java IDEs do that with a keystroke.
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kaffiene
16y ago
I feel the same way about Emacs. I use IDEs for specific development tasks (I don't generally code Java in Emacs, for example, since Netbeans, Eclipse, Idea are all much better in that context) but where content is all over the place as it
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