igouy

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by igouy 1mo ago
It's unfortunate but understandable that the stuff which is most different from other programming environments grabs attention and the basic stuff is hardly mentioned. > break it irreversibly Nope. "Cuis-Smalltalk records any a
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by igouy 1mo ago
For example: https://drcuis.github.io/TheCuisBook/The-Change-Log.html
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by igouy 2mo ago
Back in the day those were not unusual costs for programming tools. (Beer wasn't free.)
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by igouy 2mo ago
Java being free-as-in-beer.
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by igouy 2mo ago
March 7, 1988 — "Smalltalk/V 286 is available now and costs $199.95, the company said. Registered users of Digitalk's Smalltalk/V can upgrade for $75 until June 1." https://books.google.com/books?id=
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by igouy 2mo ago
> You can not combine two (or more) images. Depends what you mean. Details matter. > You can not build new things by using "images" as components. Depends what you mean. Details matter.
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by igouy 2mo ago
== Long-ago, Smalltalk systems could be file-copied from say win to mac to unices and would just work. == Not standardized. Language vendors used proprietary code to lock-in customers and that fragmented the skills base. Skilled Smalltalk-A
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by igouy 3mo ago
By design, the 8 year old page you linked presented Lisp measurements side-by-side against Java measurements (by excluding the other programs). There's overlap across most of the different language implementations: https:/&#x2F
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by igouy 3mo ago
Which new languages have risen to prominence outside of a niche?
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by igouy 3mo ago
> The C/C++ implementations use SIMD intrinsic Except when they don't. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmar
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by igouy 3mo ago
> Huh. The hardware changed. The way measurements were made changed. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... The Java version changed. The SBCL version changed. > side by side You'd h
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by igouy 3mo ago
That's someone's 8 year old mirror of the benchmarks game website. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
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by igouy 4mo ago
> … so that, when you look at an image, or when you use it, browse the code, you can easily see what are changes and what is the base image… You seem to be asking about something that is in documentation from 1984. http://step
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by igouy 4mo ago
fwiw "This paper has described ThingLab, a simulation laboratory." https://worrydream.com/refs/Borning_1981_-_The_Programming_L...
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by igouy 4mo ago
> People who don't know … can come to very wrong conclusions. Always. > … website should at least explain… Whatever the explanation, it would never be sufficient for you. As you said -- "If you're asking what multi-ling
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by igouy 4mo ago
Strange that "the software crisis" preceded Smalltalk.
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by igouy 4mo ago
So there were no problems with the technology? So "the pride and ego" was grander than any other tech leaders?
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by igouy 4mo ago
There'll be more than one that fits the tests. Some people notice these are tiny tiny programs which have nothing to say about servers "expected to run without issue for at least a day".
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by igouy 4mo ago
Then we can skip ahead: language implementations aren't fast, programs are fast. And skip again: "Fastest" contributed programs, grouped by programming language implementation. Now we've cut-through, is there anything el
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by igouy 4mo ago
> … the point of a reproducible build is to verify that the binary i use, or that the package i use is based on the same source that i have. I have been talking about how to reproduce a particular build, not how to verify. From the sam
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by igouy 4mo ago
> if in smalltalk the image is my source As-before it doesn't need to be. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47354288
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by igouy 4mo ago
Sorry, I'm just not interested in wading through your analogies.
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by igouy 4mo ago
> If you're asking what multi-lingual benchmark suites offer good coverage - I don't know. In which case, given: The target audience wonder "Which programming language is fastest?" :there doesn't seem to be suppo
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by igouy 4mo ago
> apples-to-apples Hopefully, some of the target audience might try to confirm that programs are what they think of as "comparable". > Having more domain coverage is easier and more valuable… So where are the examples of tha
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by igouy 4mo ago
My imagination has failed. I don't understand which issues you are concerned with. I think we're done.
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by igouy 5mo ago
> Now, I’m leaning towards C Maybe there are other languages?
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by igouy 5mo ago
Once upon a time, I might have imagined that would be so. Now it seems more like squeezing a lemon, there's hardly any more after the first squeeze. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
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by igouy 5mo ago
> As long as we agree… Close enough. > … help people get the right impression. The target audience wonder "Which programming language is fastest?" A table or chart sorted by elapsed time is the answer they expect. The target
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by igouy 5mo ago
> it's just not good comparison of language speeds It's not that the benchmarks game is not a good benchmark suite, it isn't a benchmark suite. It's not that the benchmarks game is not a good comparison of language sp
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by igouy 5mo ago
Also, back in the day, Digitalk Smalltalk/V Win and Smalltalk/V VSE.

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