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bemusedthrow75
3y ago
I'm sorry what now? Stop second guessing the puzzle which is clearly stated. I'm so, so done with this now that I am actually going to render inoperable my only HN account so I cannot possibly come back to this, or any other threa
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bemusedthrow75
3y ago
Nope. But I am going to leave this to someone else to explain. I'm tired out now.
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bemusedthrow75
3y ago
It doesn't make a difference what causes Monty to reveal a goat. A goat behind a door the contestant did not choose is eliminated. That is all that matters. It could have been done by a Heath-Robinson machine, or a passing lonely shr
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bemusedthrow75
3y ago
I am suddenly reminded of the clever, morally educational joke about the dead horse raffle.
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3y ago
Whenever someone talks about mean goats I think of only one thing: Buttermilk the baby goat, being a jerk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWvefaN8USk Enjoy.
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3y ago
> You do not know if he would have shown door 3 had you picked door 2! This is NOT in the prompt. You cannot assume that. Monty isn't a contestant. Monty's action and outcome is part of the fixed description of the problem. He
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3y ago
> You’ve incorrectly assumed that I would be showing you a goat in every case. But that is not included in the prompt. Yes. It is. It is a fixed part of the scenario. Monty opens a door and shows you a goat. He knows it is going to be
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3y ago
You've restated the problem (incorrectly) -- changed it. There's still a goat you could show me. And it is a fact that you show me a goat. Nowhere in the problem does it suggest there is a chance you show me a goat. I do hones
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3y ago
This is an even better learning experience than coding it right the first time, and I am so happy you had it!
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3y ago
> You have no way to know if he would only show you a goat if you picked the car. What do you mean? It's specified in the scenario. He shows you a goat. It's right there. This isn't a variable. It's a fact. Your only
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bemusedthrow75
3y ago
"If all you know is that he opened a goat door you have learned nothing." This is precisely where you are wrong.
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3y ago
It doesn't matter what he only does, or always does. It matters what he did in the problem as it is described. Because that is what you're solving.
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3y ago
> His purposeful behavior could also be random. It doesn't matter. Because the problem explains what happens: he opens a door and reveals a goat. That is crucial information. There's now only one goat and one car left. But the
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3y ago
Yes but in fact Monty always shows you a goat. There's always a goat for him to choose regardless of your choice, he knows where it is, and he's not going show you the car or the goat you already picked. Showing you the goat is th
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3y ago
No. I am not a mathematician but I got it once I understood that this is not drawing coloured balls randomly from a bag (which is how all my school probability problems seemed to go). That is: - the setup of the system matters. - The state
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3y ago
> Without additional assumptions this original wording is not clear The only problem you are being asked to solve is the one described only in the words of the problem. That's actually what this is all about. This is a learning exer
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3y ago
> But she wasn't really criticized for being a woman Nobody is saying she was criticised for being a woman , though. What they are observing is that it was the basis of and the tenor of attacks on her character, intelligence, certa
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3y ago
Yes indeed. I and others surely see from this comment that you're a fully mature thinker.
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3y ago
It's not unclearly specified. It's very tight. People who get it wrong are usually projecting some implied understanding onto it, which is why they get it wrong. Which is the point of the problem . It's designed to reveal th
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3y ago
Yeah. I think my program code was ten doors or something. It was years before I understood the actual lesson here -- both the probability lesson and also the way it hints at the fundamental truth that in life, binary choices may have been w
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> Of the cited hate mail Savant received, I have to wonder how many were setup with poor writing on the topic. Have you spent at least equal time considering, given the tenor of much of it, how many were instead willingly exposing their
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> I, like many, stated “50-50” because the odds of getting one of two doors right is in fact 50-50. Only if (in fact) it's an independent choice. It's not. If the prizes had been juggled behind the curtain after one door had b
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That is also in the problem description. Again, it doesn't matter whether he does or doesn't ever do it (though no game show host would ruin the game). It is the described problem that matters. There was so, so much writing like t
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3y ago
Fittingly it looks like informed choice.
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3y ago
With a following wind.
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3y ago
You don't need to know whether he does or does not do that all the time. Because he did it this time? Amazed this nitpicking is still going on; it's illustrative.
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This is something I remember from the time. I could not grasp the probability maths (still shit at it, sorry Ms Von Savant) but I could write a program to experimentally demonstrate it, so I did. In QBasic. Because that's what we had a
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3y ago
Integrity. I will get modded down and probably flagged for this because it's not just dissent but existential threat on HN, but this means: Don't ever use AI generated content [0]. The pictures, the words, the video, the voices, a
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Yes, absolutely. It was where GIMP still is now, for artists. It's definitely been idiosyncratic (if not solipsistic), and still has IMO some maddening features. And it still [0] has a core flaw that is being mitigated. OpenSCAD is act
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3y ago
From using _all_ other image editors, you mean. And that is the problem. People who have learned tools from what is now an established, multi-editor, digital medium , find they can't do what they wish to do. I suspect very few even
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