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ababaian
11mo ago
University of Toronto | Postdoc: Synthetic + Molecular Biology on Microplastics | ONSITE Toronto, ON We’re engineering enzymes to degrade microplastics using AI + high-throughput molecular biology. Join the Laboratory for RNA-Based Lifeform
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2y ago
The Laboratory for RNA-Based Lifeforms | University of Toronto | Full-Time | ONSITE | RNAlab.ca Howdy, The Laboratory of RNA-Based Lifeforms based out of UofT is looking for post-doctoral fellows, independent researchers, and/or a clou
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ababaian
2y ago
Not sure I understand. Obelisks seems an inert descriptor to me, it has no connotation in the field so it's appropriately a blank slate.
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ababaian
2y ago
How would they exist/maintain themselves without it's DNA counterpart?
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ababaian
2y ago
Vanya thought that when you run them through the RNA folding software, it would give you these unusual straight rods which reminded him of Cleopatra's Needle (Obelisk, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra%27s_Ne
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ababaian
2y ago
Absolutely, reading Selfish Gene in high school set me on the path to this type of exploration. Genes, in the pure abstract sense, are the unit by which we interrogate understand evolutionary change. There's a large grey area about the
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ababaian
2y ago
I like to view it that we're all RNA-based lifeforms. Operationally: DNA, RNA, or other are just a vehicles which hold our information. This podcast RadioLab with Carl Zimmer (11m) I think captures the essence of the idea near perfectl
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ababaian
2y ago
That's exactly what they are though, some piece of garbage RNA cells are producing. A lot of things meet that definition if you think about it.
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2y ago
It's not OT at all. It depends on what you mean exactly by LLM, but we use them all the time. ESMFold2 was an LLM [ https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade2574 ] and was instrumental in advancing deep p
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2y ago
The classic phylogenetic classes are a fantastic model, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong :) Phylogeny is the study by which things relate to one another. There is a divergence point at which point
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2y ago
These are two distinct questions. Are Obelisks part of the self? If you think of the "host" as being made up by it's DNA, then these are not part of that set, since they are not found in DNA copies. Or is an organism it'
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2y ago
We certainly have the data, too much so actually. I should correct the statement to say, we have insufficiently developed _applied_ information theory. We know how to quantify homology, it just has not been applied to sufficient depth to th
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2y ago
What have Obelisks ever done to you? Our first reaction shouldn't be to kill everything we don't understand :'( Good pragmatic question though. It's not clear if any drugs up- or down-regulate Obelisk genome copy, you co
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2y ago
If you want the real mind-trip, try to think about how little we know about detecting "life" that is not based on nucleic acids.
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2y ago
Not that I know of, although this doesn't mean it isn't happening, it's something which has to be investigated in detail.
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2y ago
I understood as much. My point is that it's not clear to me that it will be a biologist, and not a statistician/mathematician, or developer/data-scientist that will be the one to sufficiently find the solution. There are lite
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2y ago
There's literally no experts on the subject.
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2y ago
I should certainly hope so.
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2y ago
Don't be a dick. It's totally normal to be skeptical and doubtful of some over-the-top claims. The onus is squarely on the person presenting the information to justify it. Your points about replication are accurate, but let's
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ababaian
2y ago
Everyday I get to do this kind of research, I'm grateful to be the one doing it.
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2y ago
I think this is the journalist playing at the idea that we don't have a universally accepted definitions of "life", "virus", "viroids", "mobile genetic elements", "plasmids", or the oth
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To the limits of where our understanding of how "entities" are connected to one another (homology). Yes, there's nothing like them. You could make an argument they are "viroid-like" and there's a deeper evoluti
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The most limiting is our own imaginations. For the nuts and bolts: a class of really engaged and brilliant students at UofT recently documented the tools and methodology to go about characterizing Obelisks [ https://github.com
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I hold no prejudice against the 'soft sciences', or for literature, or for music, or for athletics or for any other human pursuit which demands merit. I am genuinely curious as to how best to present the evidence. What would you l
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2y ago
What's your definition of replication?
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It's possible, yes. But right now there is no evidence for Obelisks being linked to any disease, not even a phenotype in the cells carrying them. Keep in mind also that these elements likely interact with bacterial cells, so effects on
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No clear ideas. But I would not be surprised if a dozen labs have jumped at the chance of trying to figure it out. So wait a year and ask again. Edit: Or better yet, try and figure it out for yourself. The tools to do this analysis are avai
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There are preprints for all the papers [ https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.20.576352v1 ], they're operationally the same. How were they not noticed before? Well that's how science works. Some
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2y ago
Aren't we all?
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2y ago
Sure, in a redutionistic sense. In the same light "Hepatitis Delta Virus" is an RNA plasmid, yet it causes liver cancer in humans. I err on the side that the simplicity of the genetic system should not deceive us into thinking it&
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