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The Bizarre Refusal to Apply Cost-Benefit Analysis to Covid Debates
(greenwald.substack.com)
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> Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel? 1) most of Palestine and Palestinians are not in Gaza, bug in the West Bank 2) if Palestine is separate territory from Israel, why
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> The idea that you would be branded as an anti-semite and lose your job because you are critical of Israel also sounds bad. Sounds very plausible instead. The original cancel culture is exactly that used to silence critics of Israel- th
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> FWIW, this is a classic line of prejudiced people: 'I'm not anti-X; some of my best friends are X.' On the other hand, this is just a trope that needs to die. It's a non sequitur and is in fact an example of kafkatr
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There is a reason. Maybe this reason is that the "conflict" has been going on for 70 years? Maybe the reason is that the situation is particularly humiliating for Muslims, who saw the West unilaterally decide to install some Europ
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> Act.IL is a Social networking service launched in June 2017 that can be used via a mobile app on mobile devices running iOS or Android.[1] It is used by supporters of Israel to oppose "anti-Israel content" such as boycott, di
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> the simple reality of nations protecting themselves Israel is stealing from others (this is an established fact), its victims react, so Israel "protects itself" against that reaction. Are you ok with this? Do you think that r
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> Race is a very important component on Paletinians hating Jews. This is an entirely irrelevant, even ridiculous, argument, given the present situation. Which is that there is a very concrete and justified reason for Palestinians to hate
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Everybody has influence of the Israel-Palestine matter because the conflict exists only thanks to the spin Israel gives to it. They do what they do- and profit from it- because the public opinion in the Western countries (USA in particular)
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There is no Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. There is nothing to solve. There is a country that is slowly expanding in territory it doesn't have a right to, with some resistance from the original population. This is a crime. Why do
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> It's Hamas wanting to kill every Jew it can You bet. Jews immigrated en masse to Palestine, then used their leverage at the UN to have half of the country assigned to themselves alone, then proceeded to ethnic cleanse as many Arab
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So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives . And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course. Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign agains
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We're also all the product of several rapes down the line of our ancestors. That doesn't justify rape when it happens now, does it?
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Why would the US fabricate fake UFO videos to send to Russian/ Chinese militaries a message that is, as you imply, perfectly clear? They're the only recipients of the message, they understand it well, and nobody else cares about i
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> Why such a sudden change? Trump is gone. Since he was the main proponent of the idea, and he was despised by half of the nation, they had to despise the idea too, even if it was quite fitting in the context of the anti-China rhetoric o
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> the people that write the long rants tearing X person apart are either legitimately upset, or have an agenda way beyond trying to fit social expectations These would be the activists who are- as you call them- the instigators, and who
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> from the initial Vice article horrifically misquoting him, to the weirdly rabid hate towards anyone defending him on forums like this and Reddit In fairness those are both very common features of cancellations. Another that comes to mi
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We have class actions, where hundreds or thousands of people can join together and sue a company- the claims for each consumer might be small, but put together they can add up to a substantial value. We could do with the inverse, too. One p
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If you wait long enough, it just flies away.
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This actually travels. By itself.
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> I do think the west bank occupation is wrong and should be "solved" but it's far from evil because intent matters I think the intent (insofar as it's the result of planning and not simply the result of multiple indi
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> you can't start a war lose and then cry that you lost territory. ... That's how countries form, that's how borders are made. Actually, according to international law, you cannot lose territory by war, even if you started
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Paris Hilton has a trauma too! You don't tell me. By the way, can I tell you about my personal traumas?
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> when you say you want the utter annihilation and destruction of a racial group We already established that they don't say that. > when you praise and actively work to bomb busses, stab people in the street and in their homes...
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Hamas is a movement with a religious fundamentalist basis, I don't think that "tolerance" is what you should expect from them. But this is not a beauty contest. Just use Occam's razor: they call to "Jihad" (str
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I don't think there is any chance for me to convince you, but the Hamas covenant is an old document, written by religious fundamentalists who also were inflamed by decades of conflict on their homeland and holy land (and whatever y
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> when the group is based on literally killing of Jews (Not even just in Israel). This is literally bullshit.
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Yep, and btw, how can the price of anything be exactly 0? This doesn't sound right either.
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> Hamas would kill every man woman and child in Israel without batting an eye if it had the means to do so Yours is a textbook example of de-humanisation of the enemy. Once you believe this, you can allow yourself any atrocity. And you d
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It's their decision what to do with their bodies, absolutely, but then why should everyone be forced to accept their view of themselves as an objective fact? I don't doubt that in the vast majority of cases their view is sincere a
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