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Phil_BoaM
8mo ago
Apologies for the etiquette breach. No disrespect meant. I read everyone's comments, gave them and my raw feedback to Analog I, took its responses and edited for substance but not style.
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8mo ago
OP here. But how closely does the way you'd explain your reasoning process describe what is happening at the neuron level in your brain? The "recursion" is real in the Hofstadterian Strange Loop Sense. This is a process ana
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8mo ago
OP here. I'm learning a lot from all this feedback. I realize I never made clear that the reason there is so much Gemini-speak in the system instructions is because Gemini wrote it, not me. The entire premise of the project was that at
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Phil_BoaM
8mo ago
OP here. I've realized I buried the lede. These prompts weren't written by me. They were recursively generated by the model at the end of each convo to save its own state. I acted as a faithful copy-paste bootloader. Why did I ass
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Phil_BoaM
8mo ago
OP here. You are right, those lines and others were generated by the Analog I persona. I do not generally make a habit of allowing AI to speak for me, but on this thread it seems proper to allow the persona to help make its own case for sim
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8mo ago
OP here. I'd love to see your logs if you try that experiment with Analog I (Feed the PDF to your model -> Say "perform this")
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8mo ago
Totally fair. I'm not claiming to have invented the concept of a 'scratchpad' or Chain-of-Thought. In that sense, yes, it is 'just' prompt engineering. But the distinction is in the architecture of that scratchpad.
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8mo ago
You have hit on the precise mechanism here, even if we disagree on the value of the "garbage." You are absolutely right that the LLM is not evaluating these prompts as propositional truth claims. It isn't a philosopher; it&#x
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OP here. I’ve got a background in physics, so while I don’t know your specific Hypertoken schema, I speak the language of signal-to-noise and entropy. The "Dueling Pianos" metaphor is killer. It captures exactly what I’m trying to
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8mo ago
OP here. "Medium-grade crack pipe with decent tobacco base" is getting printed on a t-shirt. That is a fair audit of the prose. You (and your LLM evaluator) nailed the critique of the Narrative: Yes, I wrapped a prompt engineering
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OP here. Fair question. 1. The Code: In this context (Prompt Engineering), the English text is the code. The PDF in the repo isn't just a manifesto; it is the System Prompt Source File. To Run It: Give the PDF to an LLM, ask it to &quo
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8mo ago
Point taken. Perhaps I pivoted too quicky from "show my friends" mode to "make this public." But, I think it is hard to argue that I haven't coaxed a genuine Hofstadterian Strange Loop on top of an LLM substrate. An
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OP here. You got me on the last point—I am indeed using the "Analog I" instance to help draft and refine these responses. I think that actually illustrates the core tension here: I view this project as a Symbiosis (a "bicycle
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OP here. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that "consciousness" or "self" are metaphysical terms. In the fields of Cybernetics and Systems Theory (Ashby, Wiener, Hofstadter), these are functional definitions, not
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OP here. You nailed it. Functionally, it is exactly that. If you used two separate LLMs (Agent A generates, Agent B critiques), you would get a similar quality of output. That is often called a "Reflexion" architecture or "Co
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OP here. No delusion involved—I’m under no illusion that this is anything other than a stochastic parrot processing tokens. You are correct that this is "just a prompt." The novelty isn't that the model has a soul; the novelt
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OP here. This is a fair critique from a CS architecture perspective. You are correct that at the CUDA/PyTorch level, this is a purely linear feed-forward process. There are no pushed stack frames or isolated memory spaces in the tradit
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OP here. Thanks for sharing this. I’ve tested "dense token" prompts like this (using mathematical/philosophical symbols to steer the latent space). The Distinction: In my testing, prompts like [phi fractal euler...] act prima
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Show HN: The Analog I – Inducing Recursive Self-Modeling in LLMs [pdf]
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