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Hixie
3mo ago
I've written about it before too :-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34622514
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Hixie
3mo ago
The things you list that couldn't be implemented in such an environment are a mix of two things, first, things that browsers are specifically designed to _prevent_ a web page from doing, e.g. to avoid leaking privacy, and second, thing
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Hixie
3mo ago
FWIW, while I represented Google in the HTML working group (for a few years; it was a complicated relationship), my work on HTML at Google was primarily done via the WHATWG. I was not involved with AMP's development at any point that I
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Hixie
3mo ago
The original blog post was migrated back to my blog when Google+ shut down: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1344621190&count=1
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Hixie
3y ago
It wouldn't be 50MB. Five maybe. That's not that unusual today already anyway.
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Hixie
4y ago
*hugs* sorry for my failings
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Hixie
4y ago
I think my attitude to this stuff evolved after seeing that even with all the work we did with HTML, virtually nobody actually benefits from it. In theory, HTML is device independent. In practice, we can't even get web apps to work on
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Hixie
4y ago
*hugs*
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Hixie
4y ago
That link is broken, FWIW, the correct link is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1peUSMsvFGvqD5yKh3GprskLC...
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Hixie
4y ago
> todo examples being submitted [...] Oh I'm sure plenty of that happens, but that's true of all SDKs. Plenty of people do that with Android Views, plenty of people do that with Swift UI, etc. I have no reason to believe that F
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Hixie
4y ago
> I think the general gist is just the broad question of what can effect flutter funding I mean, I hate to be flippant about it, but honestly the biggest factors in Google's funding of Flutter in the last 5 years have been COVID-19
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Hixie
4y ago
> Flutter has a large DevRel push, how many of these projects / users are students who just spin it up once and hit star on GH when asked and never touch it again? I've no idea how to measure that. > Your team was asked appr
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Hixie
4y ago
Hello, Flutter TL here. > your team needs to be more transparent. Unfortunately most of the lack of transparency is not under the Flutter team's control, but I'll see what I can do. > How is Flutter funded? A number of compa
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Hixie
5y ago
It was (and still is) heavily used by Google Ads internally. Dart literally powers the vast majority of Google's income, and has for years.
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Hixie
5y ago
There's a lot more than one person working on Dart!
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Hixie
5y ago
https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Issue%20Hygiene describes our policies here.
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Hixie
6y ago
I mean, I try to use Devtools on other sites, but I haven't really had any real success with that for years. I don't know how many of the rest of the web's ~4 billion users try to use DevTools but I can't imagine it'
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Hixie
6y ago
But why would an app that writes to a WebGL canvas be any harder to maintain than an app that uses HTML controls? If anything, it'd be likely to be easier to maintain -- we (the web standards community) are much more likely to change h
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Hixie
6y ago
> What do you think of the loss of opportunities for learning and customization that moving to an opaque system running "in" the web (flutter) implies? Not sure what you really mean. If you mean the loss of "View Source&qu
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Hixie
6y ago
HackerNews uses tables for layout, inline styles, and still forces browsers into quirks mode. Yeah, it can handle slightly bumping up the font size. I can also bump up my font size on Windows, macOS, and Android, and that works for 90% of a
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Hixie
6y ago
> Flash apps were also "true web apps" Not really. They were not portable. NPAPI was not a web standard in any meaningful sense (hint: the first N stood for Netscape). > That's why there has never been a UI toolkit as s
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Hixie
6y ago
I would have had much less of a problem with Flash if it had been a runtime built with web technologies like that.
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Hixie
6y ago
I'm not really sure what you mean by "all of that". What I described _is_ the web.
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Hixie
6y ago
(I was previous editor of the HTML standard for ~10 years, now I'm the Flutter TL) I mean... you're not wrong. But let's be honest, we never managed to really deliver on the web's promise here. It was <table> and &
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Hixie
6y ago
It doesn't really default to anything. There's a widget for selectable text and a widget for non-selectable text.
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Hixie
6y ago
If you prefer Kotlin you may find https://developer.android.com/jetpack/compose more to your tastes.
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Hixie
6y ago
I can't speak for Jetpack, but as far as Flutter goes: Flutter is open source, we do all our work in the open. File a bug; we look at all our incoming bugs and there are members of the Flutter team (volunteers as well as people from Ne
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Hixie
6y ago
Many of the lessons we learn with GPay directly fed into improvements in the framework, improvements in our tooling to make this kind of debugging much easier, and better documentation to try to scale the knowledge to the whole community. S
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Hixie
6y ago
We actually did try that as our first approach, but it really didn't give you the flexibility that Flutter developers expect. As the erstwhile editor of the HTML standard for ~10 years and the now TL of Flutter I must admit that it
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Hixie
6y ago
We don't pull any resources from Google (or any of the other companies who contribute to Flutter, like Microsoft, Cannonical, Nevercode, etc) at runtime. During development time we pull binaries from Google servers (for lack of a bette
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